BEING INTOLERANT OF INTOLERANCE

Posted: May 22, 2016 in Black Pride, Civil Rights, Gay Rights, Intolerance, LGBT, RACISM
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BEING INTOLERANT OF INTOLERANCE.

Tubularsock is going to relate a story to you that involves Tubularsock. And in truth it is rather “poetic justice” at one level because as you know Tubularsock puts out a lot of attack words toward our political leaders mostly because of the hypocrisy in their words and the injustice and inhumanity of their actions. Usually due to the ideal they say we hold dear and their actions that run counter to those ideals.

Hypocrisy really angers Tubularsock.
So does Intolerance !

My focus here is intolerance.

Years ago Tubularsock was involved with a group of people who were fighting discrimination against Black people in housing. Our group was a mixture of people of different backgrounds all focused on freedom for people/families of any ethnicity to be able to live where they liked.

At a televised city meeting Tubularsock was confronted by a group of the Aryan Brotherhood who attacked Tubularsock on his position calling him “Nigger Lover”. Only the presence of TV cameras and security prevented “Nigger-loving” Tubularsock from being physically assaulted by the Aryan Brotherhood.

Recently an issue arose within Tubularsock’s blogging neighborhood that Tubularsock entered into with his opinion.

The issue centered around outrage on the part of a Black blogger over Transgender discrimination issues being compared to Black discrimination issues. And the trigger point was the “Bathroom-use” controversy in North Carolina about which the Federal Government has taken legal actions in order to protect against Transgender discrimination.

The Black blogger’s blog rapidly devolved into an attack on Transgender people as “. . . you weird fucks stayed in the goddamn closet, just a cozying up to one another” and then more and darker insults demeaning gays and trangenders followed, until the blogger concluded with, “Goddamn it! Shut the fuck up over this gay rights bullshit SHIT already!!! It ain’t ALL about you!!!!”

Now Tubularsock expressed in his comment back to this blog that the issue of intolerance toward the Transgender community was no different than any other intolerance toward any other group.

And the fact that the author was spewing out hate toward a group that she didn’t understand and didn’t want to understand just brought up for Tubularsock all the hate that has been spewed toward the Black community from people who didn’t understand and didn’t want to understand people of another race.

The entire point Tubularsock was making was intolerance toward “others” is what Blacks have had to put up with and the Black blogger attacking another group is exactly what Blacks have had done to them.

The Black blogger’s response echoed the Aryan Brotherhood shout-down from Tubularsock’s past, but this time it was a Black blogger and Black commenters calling Tubularsock a “pink assed motherfucker”, “an idiot and a fool” and “a sick racist”!

And the topper, “hermaphrodite dude”!

So, from “nigger lover” to “hermaphrodite dude”. Is this some kind of life progression? Tubularsock doesn’t seem to know what it quite means yet. But for sure over all these years Tubularsock hasn’t stood still! Name calling and innuendo as if we were on a playground running “The Dozens” is a little childish for adult dialogue. The spectacle of hate directed toward the messenger is alive and well!

 

 

 

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So the lack of compassion for other people’s problems because you think you have the ultimate pain, and the belief that  discrimination against YOU is worse than the discrimination and pain experienced by other groups: This is a blindness. It’s insane to debate who has suffered more pain through discrimination and intolerance throughout history and into the present — Blacks, Jews, Indigenous peoples, homosexuals, gypsies, fat people, Muslims . . . the list is endless!

The question that needs to be addressed is the mindset that leads to intolerance of, discrimination against, and the outright murder against “others”.

This is not to minimize the horrid, grotesque conditions and demeaning atrocities of slavery or of genocide or gas chambers but groups that have endured that kind of torment should be the last people to condemn and demean others. Standing against the integrity and freedom of people to be as they are and condemn them because you don’t understand why they are “that” way is the recipe for this violence to continue.

It is way past time to embrace a solidarity against intolerance, not to fight over whose pain and degradation wins the prize for being the worst. Hell, when it happens to YOU …… you get it and why on earth would you want to pass it on to others?

This can lead to and has led to the “divide and conquer” tactic of those who continue to stir up minorities against each other so that the power structure can maintain control. It is an age old colonial tactic which has been very effective.

It is INTOLERANCE that needs to end: This thinking that “They are not like me and so there is something inherently wrong with them”.

Life is a projection and what you put out is what you receive back at you.

You can open to loving or you can open to hate.
You can open to tolerance or you can open to intolerance.

THE FORCE IS YOU. USE IT WISELY.

 

 

 

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  1. Lou says:

    Well said Tuby!

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  2. swo8 says:

    Oh Tubularsock, I think everyone seems overly sensitive. You’ve got an election that is a nightmare and a lot of people are suffering. Nevertheless, you are right, love and tolerance is a big step forward.
    Leslie

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  3. Genie says:

    I’m frustrated with the trans bathroom issue too, because there are still no bathrooms on many First Nations’ reservations, nor running water, etc., and so many homeless people without a bathroom, food, water, medical, housing, etc., that I can understand people finding this trans bathroom issue frustrating.
    I think that when all people’s needs are met, then there won’t be anger from those who are being asked to feel compassion for others who do have access to bathrooms, but now want special bathrooms added for their needs to get met, whilst others don’t have any facilities at all, makes for privaleged folks who have access to medical (it’s very expensive to become a different sex from the body they were born with, only those with money and/or medical insurance that covers that can afford it, and that the the ongoing cost of expensive daily steroid hormone injections), and non-privaleged folks who can’t even buy a cheap pair of glasses at a thrift store.

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    • Genie says:

      Tuby, I had a long conversation with Maria (Dr. Rex), about the topic of trans bathrooms, I found her to be sensitive, understanding and open, here is the link:
      https://hrexach.wordpress.com/2016/05/20/breaking-news-oklahoma-joins-the-bathroom-brawls

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    • tubularsock says:

      Genie, thank you for your comment. The world definitely is an unfair place at so many levels and the issues continue and shall continue to be created for a variety of reasons.

      For example, the concept of homelessness within one of the most powerful and wealthiest nations on earth just emphasizes the “lost” mindset that has occurred in the U.S..

      But sadly, just meeting the basic needs of people will not end anger toward “others”. An entire conscientiousness shift will have to take place which from Tubularsock’s observation is extremely difficult to implement when people are so in denial of what is staring them in the face.

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  4. donzo442 says:

    opinions are like assholes and everyone has at least one. expressing an opinion can be almost as joyous as a good fart. after all, the body that farts is alive.
    my opinion only and after all, i’m an asshole.

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  5. Lara/Trace says:

    I echo the comments above. I stand with them for you!

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  6. Well-argued, Tubularsock. I agree that the oppression olympics only serves to divide and conquer those on the margins. Still, I remembering wondering what the administration’s agenda was for choosing gay marriage as their focal issue when there are too many egregious life-threatening tragedies worldwide to list. It felt like a set-up to foment conflict in the future. (I guess it’s just my experience watching how the state would deliberately attempt to divide tribes to compete over chump change in an attempt to keep them from presenting a unified force. It’s how the status quo has always worked with marginalized peoples.) Instead of addressing homelessness or militarized police murder of blacks or nuclear disarmament, to name just a few pressing concerns, we can focus on an issue that appears trivial on the surface and, as could be predicted, serves as a trigger to intensify inter-group conflict and hate. I’m sorry to hear you were caught in the crossfire for taking a principled, inclusive stand.

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    • tubularsock says:

      Thank you Carol. Tubularsock has spent his life in the cross fire but don’t worry Tubularsock wears a helmet when he’s out.

      This entire “gay-thing” is definitely an odd place for the political-class to hang their hat EXCEPT as a diversionary tactic. It has always reminded Tubularsock of the street magicians that dazzle the crowd as their accomplice goes about picking their pockets.

      Whenever these kind of social issues arise has always been a sign to watch your wallet.
      It may had been just a tool to help Obomber get into the White House a second term. Friends of Tubularsock that are gay nearly stumbled over each other to support him and just didn’t want to hear Tubularsock’s “negativeness” about “their-hero”.

      And now it’s the Lesbians and feminists that are blinded by Hillary’s gender rather than who she actually is and what damage she will do if elected. And all Tubularsock gets from them in argument is, “you don’t want a woman President”.

      It was the same with “Mr. Hope and Change” all Tubularsock got was “he didn’t like Blacks”!

      The RECORD of Obama when he was running as well as the RECORD of Clinton now are as plain as the nose on one’s face!

      Tubularsock hates to be the one always to say this but READ THEIR RECORD … IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?

      Oh sure, Tubularsock has wandered off a bit here but it doesn’t mean he’s lost! Thanks, Carol.

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      • Yes, I enjoy skimming the MSM to see what they’re pushing – it helps me keep track of the lies and diversions intended for mass consumption. Clearly they want to front stage Hillary and Trump. I shudder to think of what it means to elect Trump or Hillary as president (and place Bill just a “heart beat away” from another presidency).

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      • tubularsock says:

        Carol, Tubularsock knows that feeling about Trump/Hillary. Perhaps WWIII will arrive early with a positive result.

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  7. sojourner says:

    Welcome to the club! And save you breath! There is no reasoning with people who hate for no reason!

    I will no longer contend with hate filled bigots!

    Racism, bigotry and hate speech come in all colors and both genders, not just white males.

    And those who spread this hate, ain’t what the world needs now! And I don’t give a damn what gender, color or race they are, we don’t need ’em!

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  8. Norman Pilon says:

    Well said, Tubs.

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    • tubularsock says:

      Thank you Norman. I see we have attempted to reason with the same person.

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      • Norman Pilon says:

        Hi, Tubes,

        Don’t know exactly what I attempted, but it quickly became obvious to me that I had foundered before even beginning that attempt.

        In part, I understand where the anger is coming from and so I can to a degree condone it; but only to a degree, because I also see it as an unreasoned reaction, as pathological, as a neuroses to be resolved and transcended.

        Racism may understandably elicit a racist reaction, but what is necessary, what is absolutely morally imperative, is that I, as an individual, get myself beyond this malady, both for my sake and the sake of humankind.

        As I tried to put it to the poetess; as you yourself say it in so many words; as Frantz Fanon puts it in his conclusion to “Black Skin, White Masks” and to quote him (again),

        “The Negro is not. Any more than the white man.

        “Both must turn their backs on the inhuman voices which
        were those of their respective ancestors in order that authentic
        communication be possible. Before it can adopt a positive voice,
        freedom requires an effort at disalienation. At the beginning of
        his life a man is always clotted, he is drowned in contingency. The
        tragedy of the man is that he was once a child.

        “It is through the effort to recapture the self and to scrutinize
        the self, it is through the lasting tension of their freedom that
        men will be able to create the ideal conditions of existence for a
        human world.

        “Superiority? Inferiority?

        “Why not the quite simple attempt to touch the other, to feel the
        other, to explain the other to myself?

        “Was my freedom not given to me then in order to build the
        world of the You?

        “[. . .] I want the world to recognize,
        with me, the open door of every consciousness.

        “My final prayer:

        “O my body, make of me always a man who questions.”

        Above all, in other words, may I, whomever I may be, strive and succeed in making of myself in my own conception of myself “a man and nothing but a man,” that is to say, a person who sees himself, first and foremost, as a human being, and thereby also everyone else as such, irrespective of their creeds (however twisted or injurious) or the color of their skin.

        Racists see only essential and irreconcilable difference, including those who laud the attributes of other races (and tribes); humans who recognize themselves in every other human see but the manifestation of a single if currently unnecessarily and perversely divided essence.

        If people can imagine themselves into races and tribes, they are all equally capable of imagining themselves into something bigger and more inclusive called mankind.

        Yes, it’s really a choice that we can and do make.

        Either we turn our backs on the inhuman voices which were those of our respective ancestors or we do not.

        We love or we hate.

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      • tubularsock says:

        Norman somehow Tubularsock missed your comment earlier. So ……..

        Well you have hit the bottom line for Tubularsock ……. your projection is your reality.

        Tubularsock understands the rage of injustice and the depth and frustration of that rage.
        One sees it everyday in what the news tends to focus upon and Tubularsock can “go off” at the injustice.

        And Tubularsock likes the fire and passion of one who has that will to communicate it. But striking out blindly in any direction because one has taken offense does not help to correct any perceived injustice. It divides.

        Dialogue is a two way street if that is what one wishes to happen. If not then one can stay in the echo chamber till the cows come home!

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  9. Hariod Brawn says:

    A good friend of mine was a (sort of) godchild to the philosopher Karl Popper, and spent much of her childhood in Popper’s home. She tells me he was a quite wonderful and kind-hearted man. Your excellent essay reminded me of his following words:

    “The so-called paradox of freedom is the argument that freedom in the sense of absence of any constraining control must lead to very great restraint, since it makes the bully free to enslave the meek. The idea is, in a slightly different form, and with very different tendency, clearly expressed in Plato.

    Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

    In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols.

    We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.”

    – Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies (1945)

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    • tubularsock says:

      Thanks Hariod. Karl Popper has eloquently covered the topic well and Tubularsock does agree but in the age of tweeting rather than eloquence, “Cover Your Fucking Back” would have sufficed!

      Thanks again ….. we former colonialists are just natively brash!

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  10. sojourner says:

    Reblogged this on An Outsider's Sojourn II and commented:
    Intolerance and hatred come in all races. colors and genders, as is exhibited in the following:

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  11. Excellent essay, Tube. Tolerance is a long journey – for all of us.

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    • tubularsock says:

      Thank you DrB. You are so correct about that! Tubularsock has noticed that many times. What appears simple often is clouded with our individual and group baggage. Tubularsock has often said “leave you baggage on the platform and then see what happens”. But hell, there is always that favorite cloak that we “think?” is who we are ……… but isn’t.

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  12. Abracadabra says:

    Oh man, i feel you! 🙂 It is useless to talk or try to explain. Barbarian once tried that in responce on attacks on his own country… yeha.. imagine that? LOL The result was actually very predictable b\c Barbarian thoughts and contr-arguments were very sane and very well grounded …- they were deleted and Barbarian banned. If i’m not mistaken he has some screenshots “about that conversation”…however i’m not sure.

    Actually that is why + b\c of some other materials and thoughts of the subject i wrote before that Canada could be a bad option in longterm… )))

    I will not comment the whole your situation i suppose you know what i think.

    I will just leave this here:
    “For the freedom of speech sake i will shut-up anyone\everyone!”

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    • tubularsock says:

      Thanks for your comment Abracadabra. You are correct. Tubularsock, and this is meant as a compliment in case the references are not familiar; is always reminded of a Racquetball game when you enter these discussions.

      Racquetball is one of Tubularsock’s favorite games because the ball (in this case ideas) can come at the player from any direction. The back wall, the ceiling, the sides and it all moves extremely fast. And yes, Tubularsock could beat Putin if you’d set up the game!

      Спасибо за вход. Большой политической мультфильм.

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      • Abracadabra says:

        Thx, Tubularsock.

        About situation as a whole or as phenomena i would suggest that Tubularsock is alittle bit misleaded about the cause. Trouble of tolerance is just a surface thing…derivative thing from the core troubles.
        Well, i did travel whole the world, but fairly about a half of it for sure starting from various Europe and ending by diverse Asia.

        And i can say you one thing..if somebody ever will ask me how can characterize the western society in one word – it would be NOT kindness, not greed, not selfish, not progress, not justice, not opportunities, not stability etc… but HYPOCRISY.

        When i was in Europe i noticed hypocrisy everywhere! Literally everywhere even in everday life and many various ppl interactions with each other… that situation literally made me nauseus sometimes at those moments. Moreover local folks are so adopted to it that they didn’t notice not only thier own hypocritic behaviour in some situation, but even generally from other persons – they are just completely blind to it! That was the most shoking experience for me in Europe generally.
        Considering the North America this subject there should probably be even much worse issue than in Europe.

        And imho that is hypocrisy that corrupted the ppls moral and just compass and that is why The West lost common sense long time ago… First they were injailing gays, they had pure racism, nazism and faschism, woman were unable to vote in Switzerland up to 1974 year! and many many more … now they they have what i call tolerasteia (gay parades, gay marriage, sex\drug\rockNroll low culture etc), vulgar destructive multiculturalism (which destroys as base host culture as arriving ones and creates something amorphous and ugly instead), appeared blacknazi, feminazi and various destructive and stupid feminism derivations, features of good and bad dissapered and so on.

        What is? Obviously the absence of common sense in the society and ,what is more important, in ppl thinking process.

        Why? – b\c hypocrisy became natural part of their mentality, mind and character, which in the end corrupted their way of thinking and rebuilded it.

        So imho that is hypocricy which is the core problem of many many troubles in the western societie incl. this one, which we are disscussing here.

        Moreover, about topic subject it is interesting option: i can tell a lot of ,lets say, not nice things about black ppl in US to that blogger we both know … and they are ALSO quilty in their overall troubles. Moreover i can use for that not some media or statistic sources, but MANY posts of THE SAME black blogger we are talking here about her fellow ppl. he-he ) Gues what she will answer me? lol
        Even more, somebody would say ah…that is amercan black we know the special eh…lets say “special features”. But i have about 7 folks, who leave nextdoor and nearby me who worked in Africa on contracts from 1 to 5 years from Sout Africa, Nigeria, Botswana, Ghana, to Uganda, Tanzatina, Kenya and Eritrea\ Ethiopia. I can tell a lot of life and live stories from thess guys, which would explain a lot how africans themselfs contribute to their destiny additionally to western bloody bastards and robbers.
        And what do you think our black friend will reply me? – i probably will be able update my dirty egnlish level and vocabulary sky-high. LOL 😀

        That is why it useless to argue with such ppl- disscussion impossible.
        And this is also why i don’t think that this problem will ever dissapper in US ..quite the opposite – it will become bigger and bigger – both sides are very hypocrite and both side have well grounded lets say “questions” to each other..and both sides don’t wanna see themselfs and to don’t wanna reach the suitable for both compromise.

        So if you are there – move your ass out fo there and on new site buy some comfortable armchair, good powerful binocular\pair of glasses and load of pop-corn. 😉

        p.s. In the cartoon is not Putin, but idiot Khrushchev.

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      • tubularsock says:

        Abracadabra you have focused on one of the fundamental issues of humankind …. Hypocrisy. And there is no question that European and American (U.S.) are up to their “hairs of their chinny-chin-chins”!

        Of course hypocrisy is not owned by the West alone but they sure do their best to keep it in play!

        And Tubularsock does agree that a scary element is when people don’t even realize that they are being it because it is so widely accepted.

        It is very difficult to attempt to be an “open society” and maintain this stance while at the same time being afraid of “other’s ways”. And when those ways confront the main beliefs there is always trouble. And that is one of the challenges.

        There is a danger in the term “common sense” however. Common to whom? Basically Tubularsock knows what is meant but that does not mean that EVERYONE has the same definition. For example, it is common sense to allow people of different races or sexual preferences to love and marry each other. (If you see what Tubularsock means. It’s common sense to Tubularsock and many others BUT ……….)

        The topic of African Peoples and their lives and the Western domination of these areas is way too big a topic to discuss at this time but the distinction must be made between African Governing Classes and regular African People. And usually it is found that the ruling class is out to get “theirs” …. and fuck the people! Much like ruling classes in Western “democracies”.
        As for American Blacks the outright murderous attacks by the police upon them with no regard for their human dignity and their human rights is so outrageously appalling that it can only bring about RAGE. And yet so many Americans are asleep to it.

        Solidarity against this outrage SHOULD BE the order of the day but time again it is allowed to continue.

        So until that takes place IN MASS it will be business as usual. There is no compromise to murder!

        Your idea of getting away is an idea but where on earth is it calm. But Tubularsock does love popcorn!

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      • Abracadabra says:

        RE:[There is a danger in the term “common sense” however. Common to whom? Basically Tubularsock knows what is meant but that does not mean that EVERYONE has the same definition.]

        You just made an extreemely good point! I wondered that question (as well a lot of others) whole the time i’m learning english.

        You see, in russian and many other slavic languages exist term “Здравый смысл”\ “Zdraviy smisl”, what literally can be translated as “healthy\sane\reasonable sense” and that actually resemble the real essense of the term\figure of talk.
        But in “communisto-phobic” english we have commonsense instead – mysterious and weird thing i should say. lol 😀

        RE:[ For example, it is common sense to allow people of different races or sexual preferences to love and marry each other. (If you see what Tubularsock means. It’s common sense to Tubularsock and many others BUT ……….)]
        I always look at such things only from EXACT cultural perspective and public\civil consensus in exact society\culture about this subject. Very democratic approach btw! 😉

        RE:[As for American Blacks the outright murderous attacks by the police upon them with no regard for their human dignity and their human rights is so outrageously appalling that it can only bring about RAGE.]

        That is very true. But infact cops and the whole punishment systems are corrupt to the core.
        And what stupid ppl did? – they organized “Black lives matter” instead of something like “Fuck the police” for example and by such skin-related banner they cutted a lot of non-black ppl who also were suffering from police brutality or corruption.

        And what did Black get at the finish with “Black lives matter” protest? – NOTHING! b\c the whole movement and control\managment over it were hijacked … by the establisment talking-heads and govermental agenda\ “decoy-duck” to calm down, shut-up and discredit the movement “Black lives matter” peacefully , silently, unwittingly\imperceptibly and stealthly from inside.

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      • tubularsock says:

        Thank you, Abracadbra. Great response and very helpful. Tubularsock agrees with or at least understands where you are coming from.

        BUT from a “communisto-phobic” English point of view Tubularsock has always heard that if WE don’t stop those Russian Communists then they’ll be “under-our-beds”!

        Well, to date not one Russian has appeared under Tubularsock’s bed and all I can say is that Tubularsock hopes she cute! And not one of those mean and vicious 007 rejects!

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  13. CalicoJack says:

    It is difficult to be on the receiving end of verbal abuse is extremely difficult experiences. I’m sorry that this happened to you. The internet is dangerous especially for those with poor impulse control and a degree of anonymity. Bad combination.

    It is difficult, too, to reconcile an oppressed group’s oppression of another group. But, unfortunately, the human mind doesn’t work that way. For more on this idea, you might be interested in (a) my blog, The Psy of Life: CalicoJack Explains Life & Everything Using Psychology & Snark (https://thepsyoflifeblog.wordpress.com/) — it is snarky, sarcasiticky, and profaney — but uses psychology to explain current events. And, (b) a specific post, “Schema Your Head Off!” (http://wp.me/p7vabV-7q) in which I address the difficulty of accepting transgender folks in particular and Trump a little bit because they both violate our unwritten rules of how life should be.

    Anywho, (a) I think I have a good blog going with interesting articles that address the events of the day using a workable system of explanation and (b) this post and others make me think you might enjoy it.

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    • Abracadabra says:

      Of…phuck… Cmon leave that CP and SJW bullcrap to somebody else as well as neo-religious crap called phsyhology. Psyhology is not a science! It is approx. the same “science” as PR for example.
      It is kind of philosophy only ..pretty manipulate-able one btw. It is only the chains of rational and logical reasoning available to ANY person with working brain and who is able to think…even without any special literature or materials b\c the those the chains of rational and logical reasoning and cause-effect relations in the base of psyhology are ELEMENTARY!
      That is why it is os popular among various housewifes for example or\and among ppl with generally low high quality education profile.

      Another question that approx. 80-90% of population independing on gender, skin colour and often even independing on country origin are brainless infantile idiots, who unable even to elementary analysis or somekinf of complex fundamental thinking. And those sheeple are the real ground and basement for phsyhology as “discipine” as well they are the source of income, career and existence of neo-priests..sorry – phsyhologists.

      RE:[It is difficult to be on the receiving end of verbal abuse is extremely difficult experiences. I’m sorry that this happened to you.]

      And please leave this damn rossy emotional moaning overdrama to that 90% of infantile barinless oligophrens. Here reside normal mature ppl. Nothing serious happened and nobody injuired- just normal life goin on. We are talking here about society problem…serious one – highly explosive and potentially bloody.
      But not about somebody’s, particulary, Tubularsock, “hurted” feelings or other kind of infantile phyhology bullcrap. It is ok to get hot argues sometimes, it is ok to recieve dirty words wometime it is even ok to get punches in the nose sometimes – IT IS NORMAL! It is real life, but not some sort of phuking Matrix! And here is normal ppl, who undesstand this and can deal with this without any kind of a trouble.

      And yes, the core of disscussion is also not trangenders. As for me i consider them as stupid sick infantile pervert ppl the same way as i consider rasists one, feminazi or balcknazi and so on.

      For such ones dissussion and promoting of you business, career, self-pr as psyho-smart-ass etc – pls find some teens forums, moaning women societies, housewifes forums, communities of unhappy perverts etc, but pls be so kind – don’t shit with your absurdic artificial psyho dramas into our sane and mature brains.

      Thank you! 😉

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      • tubularsock says:

        Now, now Abracadabra ……. it appears you have an opinion here. Psychology is “neo-religious crap”? Psychology is “not” science? “PR” is not science?

        Tubularsock has rushed off to inform the CIA and the “new” KGB so they will stop funding all that money to these programs!

        Tubularsock would assume then that quantum physics is not “science” either because of the “belief” that without the active observation of the observer where the observer, the observed and the act of observation are inseparably united which causes what’s observed.

        Of course there is no “proof” just theory so it can’t be “science”?

        Tubularsock doesn’t care how psychology is defined. Mankind carries latent and not so latent traits that cause huge societal problems. And through therapeutic work, change can happen. Maybe we can all agree on the PR of psychology?

        Now Tubularsock doesn’t mind somebody with a concern for Tubularsock’s feeling. You have got to admit Abracadabra that it is better than a punch in the nose!

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      • CalicoJack says:

        I can see what Tubularsock means by allowing all comments. That’s quite a comment Abracadabra.

        Liked by 1 person

    • tubularsock says:

      Welcome CalicoJack to Tubularsock and thank you for your comment. And thank you for your concern about Tubularsock’s feelings but not to worry. Tubularsock puts out his opinions which he believes but is open to ANY response.

      Tubularsock doesn’t mind anonymity on the internet even when it is matched with poor impulse control. People express differently and Tubularsock is open to any style.

      Not that Tubularsock doesn’t have control over who can respond (we all do at WordPress) but Tubularsock likes divergent views even if they are angry or “nutty”.

      Tubularsock checked out you blog and signed up to follow. You have some very interesting ideas and Tubularsock enjoyed his brief review and will return soon. Thanks for putting it out there.

      There are so many different communities and life styles and Tubularsock has never been able to really grok why people just can’t live their lives, as long as it is with consenting adults, without interference.

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    • Abracadabra says:

      RE by CalicoJack:[I can see what Tubularsock means by allowing all comments. That’s quite a comment Abracadabra.]

      Tuby is just a fair guy, who considers all the opnions … btw unlike 90% of other western bloggers. That is actually why WordPress and other Blog platform are not so popular among russians.
      They like wide disscussion available in LiveJournal.

      And be patient, i can perfectly hold the kick. Abracadabra can defend himself and gound\back-up his thoughts very well.
      He perfectly know what he is talking about.

      Just have no enough of time right now. I will answer in details a little bit later today.

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      • CalicoJack says:

        You know, verbal abuse and bombastic commentary usually get the response of whatever. Tubularsock may not mind such verbal abuse, but I do.

        Don’t answer or ground/back-up our arguments for my sake.

        Have a nice life.

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      • Abracadabra says:

        Man, i will answer not you but to Tuby. He cont-argumented me with some lets say paralogisms. And i will answer. If you don’t wanna read – don’t. I’m repeating i know VERY WELL what i’m talking about and i will continue to say that phsyhology as a social applied disciline is totaly useless for those to whom it is applied(or usefull to the same degree as priest or preacher service with cutted moral and ethic components) and it is fake in classicals understanding of science term.

        I didn’t tried to abuse or offend anyone -i’m just saying straight and direct what i think without any kind of CP or “asstwist”. ))) If you feel abused – visit your colleague and disscuss with him you difficult situation, harmed feelings, violated self-esteem\pride and emotional drama of the month. 😉

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  14. sojourner says:

    Norman wrote,

    “Above all, in other words, may I, whomever I may be, strive and succeed in making of myself in my own conception of myself “a man and nothing but a man,” that is to say, a person who sees himself, first and foremost, as a human being, and thereby also everyone else as such, irrespective of their creeds (however twisted or injurious) or the color of their skin.”

    Yes! Yes! Yes!

    We have been labeled in every way possible by the powers that have always been: religions, governments, national/ethnic pride/patriotism, “science” (eugenics/genetics), etc, etc. We have been dehumanized in each other’s eyes, minds and hearts, through indoctrination, mind control.

    And some are too hate-filled and ignorant to see that they are still being used by the very people who would sell them and use them as slaves, just like they had with their ancestors.

    What I am first and foremost, is not a white person or a man; I am a human being, and so I am a member of the human race, a member of humanity. And as Norm’s entire comment (including the quote) points out, until we get back to that “garden”, where we are all human beings in each other’s eyes, minds and hearts, and not merely a so-called “species” to be labeled and categorized as to our individual place on some elitist hierarchy, we will continue to have those in power breed this kind of racial “superiority/inferiority” hatred, which this post was written to respond to in the first place.

    Love or hate, it truly is our choice! The former will lead to understanding, healing and life, while the latter will lead to more of what we have had; more wounding, pain, hatred, violence/war and death!

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    • tubularsock says:

      That is really IT sojourner.

      “Love or hate, it truly is our choice! The former will lead to understanding, healing and life, while the latter will lead to more of what we have had; more wounding, pain, hatred, violence/war and death!”

      Sometimes the simple miss those who don’t want to see it because if you define yourself in struggle then you have to maintain struggle.

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      • sojourner says:

        “…if you define yourself in struggle then you have to maintain struggle.”

        Yes, Tube!

        There are some, by their own actions, words and deed, their own will, who are prolonging their own suffering. There are some, in wanting to get even with others, who are simply torturing themselves. And their real tormentors, not the ones they take their spite out on, don’t even know they exist.

        Sad!

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  15. sojourner says:

    Just ran across this and thought it might be apropos:

    http://www.zengardner.com/cultural-appropriation-latest-pc-guilt-trip/

    Liked by 2 people

    • Norman Pilon says:

      Hi Sojourner,

      Some aspects of the article I like, others I don’t. For me, it remains too much within the paradigm of ‘difference,’ of culture as ‘essence,’ of the ‘us’ and ‘them’ mentality, despite wanting to appear as though going beyond these constraining bounds.

      But in fact, the article does not touch the metaphysics of ‘culture,’ implicitly upholding as it does the notion that there are “indeed” peoples and that what defines a particular people, what sets it off from all others, is its zeitgeist, its particular way of feeling and thinking and behaving that is unlike that of “other” peoples (i.e., cultures exist but it’s okay to borrow elements of them even if you are not of ‘them’).

      But what, really, is a culture? It is a loose set of behavioral and cognitive patterns shared across a fairly narrow or wide range of “individuals,” who share in these patterns only because they happen to engage in concrete and sustained interactions with each other, and being human, cannot but begin to mimic each other in their manners of speech, thinking, behaving, living, and so on.

      Wherever you have two or more individuals engaging in sustained social intercourse, you have individuals who, in spite of themselves, internalize each other’s behaviors, and thus begin to look and sound like one another in many respects.

      Culture, then, is nothing other than a set of contingent and accidental ‘memes,’ behavioral or cognitive schemata that spread by dint of habitual ‘contact.’ However, because humans are ultimately individual characters constantly evolving in the course of managing their complicated personal and public lives, so called cultures are also always constantly evolving and changing by dint of these individual changes, since individuals, in spite of themselves, constantly spawn new modes of behaving or living.

      Thus the idea that “a culture” is a fixed and determinate thing over time is an illusion. Yes, it is always possible to point to a nexus of interacting humans and observe ‘similar modes of behavior’ that create, in appearance, a uniformity of apparent ‘sameness’ across many individuals and possibly spanning generations. But this is truly an abstraction, for everyone knows that between himself and his closest and most loyal neighbours, there are individual differences that give the lie to the appearance of an all embracing uniformity, that thing we call a ‘culture’ or a ‘unity in spirit,’ the so called zeitgeist of the people to whom we apparently belong.

      In reality, culture is but the insubstantial echo of mimicked styles of individual appearances that have spread outward from localized and sustained interactions that have become formalized between concrete individuals. The further away, geographically or physically one person’s daily interactions happen to be from those of another, the more will they be different in their customary modes of behaving and thinking, the more “culturally different” will they appear to be from one another. But there is nothing at all essential about this. Indeed, it is an accident of distance and geography. No sooner do two such individuals begin to interact with each other in a sustained fashion than they begin to rub off on one another in their manner of being, in their styles of dressing, talking, cooking, etc. . .

      Thus it is that the white kid with curly hair, who sees the curly haired dreadlocks of his black or Greek brethren, begins to coiffe his head in a like manner.

      Those who would jealously guard their so called ‘ways,’ to my mind, certainly do deny others their humanity, since to be human is to internalize the ‘ways’ of our closest or most striking neighbours.
      In this respect, I am agreement with the tenor of the article.

      But exactly what purpose does this particular phrase serve if it is not a cute if gauche attempt to discredit all things marxist, and by implication, anything that Marx himself might have written: “It’s a form of soft control, a kind of cultural marxism . . .” ??

      Honestly, I have no idea what the proscription against “cultural appropriation” could possibly have to do with either marxist scholarship or anything at all that Marx himself may have written.

      Best regards,

      –N

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      • sojourner says:

        I read half or less of this article, when I should have read it all before passing it on.

        The pc portion caught my eye. And pc pisses me off!

        So I did not read this portion you are referring to, and I do agree with your last two paragraphs here, in particular.

        How the hell did we get from pc to Marx?

        Liked by 2 people

      • tubularsock says:

        Easy ……. happens that both PC and Marx caught the same bus when they transferred to the 38.

        Like

      • Norman Pilon says:

        Interesting. Here in Ottawa, a transfer onto the 38 will take you from ‘The Forks’ to, of all places, the ‘Canadian Museum for Human Rights.’ So the ‘Bus’ may in fact be the connection.

        As an irrelevant aside, but one that ties in with the museum that you brought up (since from a certain vantage, I may be the sock, and you the puppet): the museum was created to preserve the artifact of ‘human rights’ just after they created the ‘residential schools.’ I might be making up that last part, but I’m not entirely certain that it isn’t entirely true that for many of my fellow Canadians, human rights would have been a great thing to have once upon a time. But hey, if a Museum can get them, therein perhaps lies an intimation of better days ahead.

        Now what was I saying?

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  16. Norman Pilon says:

    Just leaving this redundant comment so that I can check the “Notify me of new comments via email” widget. Sorry about the clutter, Tubes.

    Liked by 1 person

  17. Malcolm says:

    r u a white assed preacher man? b/c u r on a soapbox. who gave u the right 2 pontificate to African Americans?

    Liked by 1 person

    • tubularsock says:

      Welcome Malcolm to Tubularsock. Thank you for taking the time to comment.

      Tubularsock is pontificating to ALL PEOPLE: “One reaps what one sows.”

      What is so fucking complex about that?

      Liked by 2 people

      • Norman Pilon says:

        Phew! I thought he was talking to me, that I might have been going on a bit too long with my long winded disquisitions. I’ve been putting off replying since 1:04 pm. Now I can put it off forever. Thank you.

        Liked by 1 person

      • tubularsock says:

        Norman, glad Tubularsock could clear up your dilemma. Tubularsock figured Malcolm was uni-dimensional in thought and when you ducked Tubularsock was in the line of fire. No problem with the correct stealth moves.

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      • sojourner says:

        I have been waiting for this! Trolls, everywhere!

        Liked by 1 person

      • tubularsock says:

        sojourner, Tubularsock always thought “trolls” were just under bridges that one wanted to cross. You know, “who goes on my bridge ……” and all that.

        Liked by 1 person

      • sojourner says:

        Those are the old trolls, Tube!

        I am referring to Neotrolls! And I was only referring to one short comment, in particular, that evidently came from a person who can only communicate with their thumbs!

        Just to clarify, Tube! Just to clarify!

        Joke ’em, if they can’t take a fuck!;-)

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      • tubularsock says:

        Tubularsock thanks you sojourner for clearing up Tubularsock’s old fashion view of Trollism. These are new times and the Thumbed-Dominent-Neotrolls or TDN do seem to be all over the place in these modern times. Tubularsock believes, in part, due to the bridge infrastructure being so dangerous throughout the nation.

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  18. Genie says:

    I left this comment on the blooger’s site and post that you are referring to in this post, these are my thoughts on the matter:

    I have no idea what gave Tubularsock the idea that he has the right to tell you what to think and say, especially on your own blog.

    Then he does a post about “Tolerance” (it’s about this post of yours) on his blog, I did two replies to it, however, I didn’t do a like.

    Taking it upon onself to be the thought police (as Tubularsock did with you), is not anything that I can relate to.
    Dialogue, is useful (if it’s sincere), but telling others what to think, feel, say, do — is outargious; and certainly not respectful of other people’s autonomy.

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    • Norman Pilon says:

      Hi Genie,

      What is your contention? That while Shelby engages people respectfully and tactfully, Tubes does not?

      It was my experience that because Shelby “imagined” a perceived ideological difference between her and me, I was a “pink skinned motherfucker.” How does one jump from “because you do not appear to be entirely 100% in agreement with me about the kind of racist, bigoted motherfucker I think Sojourner is” to (and I’m paraphrasing) ” you are a “pink skinned motherfucker” who can’t possibly know what it feels like to be oppressed?” Is this the kind of “respect” you have in mind, Ginie? Is this the kind of “respect” Tubes left out of his comments to Shelby, or was it the kind that he showed? And how does Shelby, who doesn’t know me from a hole in the ground, know what colour my skin might be, and then why should the colour of my skin matter unless you are a hard-bitten racist?

      Dialogue isn’t “I’ll agree with everything you say because if I don’t, you will lose your shit.” Rather, it is as much about possible agreement as it is about parsing the ‘ins and outs’ of possible disagreement in a spirit of critical inquiry, on the assumption that the dialoguers accept that their views may be erroneous or partial and that the encounter may help them to dispel whatever might be their respective illusions on the issue being discussed. So in a way, dialogue – respectful dialogue – is all about trying to change minds, be it one’s own or one’s interlocutors and most hopefully on the basis of a broadened perspective on reality.

      So I would say that if Shelby permits people to comment on her blog, she do so in a respectful fashion, in the full expectation that not everyone, even among the most respectful folk you could possibly find, will agree with everything she has to say or won’t on occasion and because they are human miss-speak themselves and accidentally offend even as they mean no such offense. Shelby’s limits of tolerance, however, and you will surely agree, appear to be in this respect rather narrow if indeed not altogether somewhat beneath the threshold of what you seem to be here to vaunt, namely, ‘respect,’ and in particular, respectful dialogue, eh.

      And if you are not here on an errand to correct Tubes in his opinion about a certain matter, then what of your comment? And if you are, are you not yourself guilty of what it is that you are accusing the blogger who is here hosting your comment? Who gave you the right?

      Kind regards,

      –N

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      • Genie says:

        Exact quote:
        “It was my experience that because Shelby “imagined” a perceived ideological difference between her and me, I was a “pink skinned motherfucker.””

        Is that you, Tuby? …a “sock puppet” of yourself?
        Because what I just quoted has no reference point other than this could be a sock puppet.
        Kindly clarify this, because it’s too confusing to be speaking to a sock puppet, I have no problem with you if it is you using a sock puppet, Tuby, however, I do need to know who I am addressing!

        Liked by 1 person

      • Norman Pilon says:

        Hi Genie,

        No one is playing with you. Norm is for real and I have no idea who Tuby might be in the world at large.

        To help you contextualize my comment, I’ll be lazy and merely quote an amended (or edited) version of my last ever comment left on Shelby’s blog. But I’m quoting this version as it appeared as a point of clarification for a friend that I felt was unfairly bullied by dear Shelby, that is to say, as it appeared on his blog – here it is:

        Norman Pilon
        April 19, 2016 at 4:26 pm

        Permit me one last admittedly puerile gesture in connection with ‘Madame La Poétesse’ — in case you might have missed it, so that you won’t have to hold your nose to go and read it — with only minor edits, my parting comment at the moment that ‘Your Majesty’s’ true colors finally became apparent to me:

        A note for context: apparently, I had in my exchange with you, pink-skinned motherfucker that I am, dared to imagine that I could speak for her.

        To roughly paraphrase: ” . . . bla bla . . . fucking cocksuker !. . . bla . . . you can’t speak for me! . . .fucking bla bla !. . . no offhanded chastisements allowed on my blog . . . bla, bla . . . more verbal diarrhea . . . something about subhuman, predatory, vile ass beasts not being able to understand what others suffer . . . white cocksuckers . . .

        My reply:

        Norman Pilon
        APRIL 18, 2016 AT 2:29 PM

        Hi Shelby,

        I don’t think I spoke on your behalf. In fact, I’m pretty sure I spoke on my behalf. I think I can judge for myself what “I think” you said even if I am categorically wrong in that judgement.

        As for racism, what do you think you sound like when [you] write things like “I will not have pink-skinned motherfuckers imagining that they can speak for me[?]” Or “The world’s Black and Brown population would have been better off if Whites Were Not Allowed!”[?] No underlying “racial” theme, here. And yet to my ears it seems to mirror something with which I’m all too familiar.

        And how do you know what the complexion of my skin is or of what “race” or ethnicity might have been […] my ancestors? And what if I disavow my ancestral heritage, whatever “that” might be, do you get to decide what the quality of my morals may be merely by being able to assess the “color of my skin” or what you decide is the legacy of my ancestry?

        So your solution to “racism” is what? Never to forget the color of your skin and that of your oppressor? And what, until the white cocksuckers showed up, no African had ever murdered another African? No tribe had ever gone to war with another? And in North America, no Indian had ever committed a murder, either? And the Japanese had no notion of war until Europeans showed up? Ditto for the Chinese? Genghis Khan is a fiction made up by white cocksuckers to slander the innocent and peace loving peoples of the Mongol Empire?

        Yeah, I agree. Exterminate the white cocksuckers, because they are all as guilty as ever a white cocksucker ever was because their skin is just as white [as his was], yes, all of them [guilty] for all time, the men, women, and children, above all the children because they are, whether they like it or not, the descendants of the line of cocksuckers, and everybody knows, even an atheist, that the sin of the father is visited upon the son.

        Does any of this sound familiar? Isn’t this where the power elite exactly want all of the people they regard as the “little people” to be? At each other’s throats for every historical wrong ever committed by “all” of our ancestors?

        I don’t know, Shelby, and I might well be wrong, but you are now coming off to me as being trapped in a mindset that is very akin to that of the white cocksuckers you so rightly deplore. That is, you seem to be as stuck on “skin color” as they are. By definition, that’s racism, even if you think that “some white folk” are okay, especially if they agree with everything you say.

        Yup, it’s fucked up.

        And poor Dave. Damned by the color of his skin, too. I guess it feels good to kick the “white motherfucker” even if he isn’t at all what your undiscriminating outrage is making him out to be. And you’d be mistaken to believe that just because a person is in your eyes the wrong color, he or she can’t and hasn’t suffered.

        Personally, all racists, whatever their color, can fuck right off.

        __________

        Okay, that’s the last of it. I’ll never bring “her” up again. I guess she really got on my nerve. But I think that with that I have finally got her out of my head.

        Phew!

        _______
        Quote ends.

        As you can see, my reply was written as though in a state of pique. I wonder why.

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      • tubularsock says:

        Genie, Tubularsock believes you are getting your “sock-puppets” mixed up. Oh sure, you can say …… “they all look alike!”

        Liked by 1 person

    • tubularsock says:

      You know Genie, here is the bottom line ……. Intolerance leads to Intolerance. Why is it so difficult to understand this concept? Tubularsock can’t put it much simpler unless he gets out the children alphabetical blocks and spell it out to you! Cheers.

      Like

  19. Genie says:

    Hi Norman,
    Thanks for clearing that up.

    In my opinion, “I messages”, are a more helpful way to discuss things, on every topic, especially the hot, controversial and charged topics, instead of “You Messages”, now, having said that, it can also be a way to be “politically correct” in one’s words, but not in how it comes across.

    Racism is one of those topics that doesn’t fit into a box, there is no “politically correct” way to adress the underlying issues, resentments, exploitation, ongoing persecution and oppression, etc., thus, to lecture a person on “tolerance” (when they don’t walk in that person’s moccasins, so to speak), often becomes loaded with hurt and anger.

    I was shocked when a friend of mine (a math professor in England), spoke about Jews in the most shocking way, when I asked what was behind this extreme hate, he told me: “I’m a displaced Palestinian, I watched my father as he was shot by the IDF (should be called IOF — Israeli Occupation Forces), then, they raped my mother in front of my little sister and me, and sodomized her too, after which, they made my sister and I go outside while they torched our home. We lived in tents in Lebanon for many years without the basic nessecities of life, but after a long time, a kind family from Englad adopted us and sent my little sister and I to school and I recieved my PhD in Mathematics. How do you think I should feel towards Jews? My little sister still pees the bed, even though she is an adult, and I have nightmares still, every night.”

    How could I tell him what to feel and think?

    It’s the same with African Americans, unless one has lived through lynchings, houses burned down by the KKK, has deep scars on their back from lashes (or their relatives do), etc., then one is not in a position to judge how their language and attitude “should be”, according to privalged standards that are imposed on racial minorities who are told, “get over it”, but the racism goes on still, so how can they get “over it”?

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    • Norman Pilon says:

      Hi Genie,

      Okay, so unless I’ve scars across my back and my skin is black and I’ve experienced lynching firsthand, then I’m in no position to tell ‘them’ how their language and attitude “should be.” Is that correct? What if I’m black but haven’t myself directly experienced all the bad shit. Do I then have a right?

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    • Norman Pilon says:

      And since you bring up the brutalization, persecution, and dispossession to which Palestinians have been subjected since about the middle of the last century, a contrasting, ‘reasoning’ manner of dealing with one’s own personal tragedy and trauma:

      The video summary reads:

      Published on Jun 4, 2012
      Izzeldin Abuelaish, known as “the Gaza Doctor” and author of ‘I Shall Not Hate’, is a Palestinian doctor and infertility expert who was born and raised in the Jabalia refugee camp in the Gaza Strip. Tragically, his three daughters and a niece were killed in January 2009 during the Israeli incursion into Gaza, yet this devastation did not harden Abuelaish’s heart. Instead, he has directed his energy toward spreading the doctrine that from tragedy can come good; from conflict and hardship can come peace and well being in hopes that the lives lost during this time would be the last. Nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize in 2010 and winner of humanitarian awards around the world, he now lives with his family in Toronto, where he is an associate professor at the Dalla Lana School of Public Health at the University of Toronto.

      Dr. Abuelaish has founded Daughters for Life, a Canadian charity that provides young women in high school and university the opportunity to develop a strong voice and play a more influential role in improving the quality of life throughout the Middle East through their education.

      “I know that what I have lost, what was taken from me, will never come back. But as a physician and a Muslim of deep faith, I need to move forward to the light, motivated by the spirits of those I lost. I need to bring them justice. I will keep moving but I need you to join me in this long journey.” – I Shall Not Hate

      Dr. Abuelaish’s website: http://www.daughtersforlife.com/found

      In the spirit of ideas worth spreading, TEDx is a program of local, self-organized events that bring people together to share a TED-like experience. At a TEDx event, TEDTalks video and live speakers combine to spark deep discussion and connection in a small group. These local, self-organized events are branded TEDx, where x = independently organized TED event. The TED Conference provides general guidance for the TEDx program, but individual TEDx events are self-organized.* (*Subject to certain rules and regulations)

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  20. sojourner says:

    It would appear to me, from a few of the comments above, that a united humanity is out of the question, at least at this point in time! Norman attempted to use reason, but reason can only be effective on reasonable people.

    This is why I post very little on the issue of race anymore. The war the elite swine started is still going on, and it will continue until people, no matter their fucking color or ancestral history, wake up and stop playing the stooge, while yacking on about who has a “right’ to do this on their “own blog” and who doesn’t!

    We have no political rights! None of us! We only have universal rights. And until we come together, we will not have full access to these universal rights.

    And by the way, every race of people have, at some point in history, been brutalized and enslaved by another race.

    Sorry, Tube! This will be my last comment on this post! Nor will I respond to any feedback!

    Liked by 2 people

    • tubularsock says:

      sojourner, Tubularsock could not agree with you more. “A united humanity is out of the question” is ONLY true if we are not invaded from another planet ……. you know how “the outside enemy” always unifies the sheeple!

      But the likelihood of superior beings wanting to even deal with human-consciousness
      is pretty much out of the question!

      Thanks for your comment even though it is the last one this time around.

      Liked by 1 person

  21. Matt says:

    This is a really good post and an impressively heated discussion. I hardly see any reason for controversy. Some things are objectively wrong. Yes, prejudice and discrimination are wrong and I see no reason why we shouldn’t just all get together on that. Yes, restricting someone’s right to use a public bathroom of their choice is wrong. That’s tough to argue with. Acknowledging it as wrong doesn’t diminish the importance of ANY other past or present injustice.

    Liked by 4 people

    • tubularsock says:

      Matt, welcome to Tubularsock. And thank you for taking the time to comment. Tubularsock couldn’t agree with you more. It all seem simple until you put it out there and then ……….

      ‘the shit hits the fan”

      and that damn fan will splatter shit over anyone without discriminating!

      And the end result is that we are all in this shit together. How egalitarian can one get?

      Thanks again.

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