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THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG: a bin Laden story.

Now everyone knows when it comes to fowl stories Tubularsock is on top of his game. Some even go as far as to say that Tubularsock is for the birds. Whatever!

Tubularsock just loves a good story and as luck would have it it is, THE SAME OLD STORY.

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So let’s start at the beginning.

Mohammed bin Laden and his tenth wife Hamida al-Attas fucked and had little Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden.(an interesting fun fact is that Bin Laden’s name was as long as his 6’ 4” body when he became an adult. Could that have been some kind of sign?)

Osama’s dad had 58 children from 22 wives but as Sharia Law requires he only had four wives at a time. Damn rules!

Now like any good Moslem dad Mohammed divorced Hamida soon after Osama was born. ( Which may or may not tell us something about what Bin Laden was like as a baby.)

And Bin Laden’s mother then married a man named Muhammad al-Attas, who worked at the bin Laden company. (Sure, Tubularsock wonders just how many of the 22 wives ended up with bin Laden company employees. Just one big happy family. Just imagine the Christmas party, oops.)

Ok. Let’s fast forward ……… is this fun or what?

There is enough agreement that Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden was born. In fact Tubularsock has not seen any documentation to date to question that this did not occur.

The problem? How did, when did, and who did die and was it bin Laden at all. There’s the rub!

So what is clear is bin Laden was born from there on, a story but “facts” ….. NOT SO MUCH!

It has been reported that Osama was 6’4” or maybe 6’6” tall. Or maybe less. It occurred to Tubularsock that math and measurement was an early achievement of the Arab World but no one even thought about getting out a measuring rod?

Remember The Navy Seals AFTER THE SUPPOSED KILLING of Bin in his bedroom laid down beside his crumpled bloody body to judge how tall he was ….. wow, those Navy Seals are kinky fuckers and none-too bright.

With all the equipment that they carry no one thought a measuring tape could be handy? Very poor planning if you ask Tubularsock. (you may have noticed no one has asked Tubularsock)

And after the unarmed old man in his bathrobe is blown apart by massive gun fire THEN they start to wonder if it was Bin or not? (side note to self: don’t hang out with Navy Seal bat-shit-nut cases)

In terms of personality, bin Laden was described as a soft-spoken, mild mannered, left handed man who used a cane.

Because Bin never exhibited any Fred Astaire moves it was assumed the cane was for health reasons. His bodyguard CONTENDED Soviet chemical weapons were to blame for his malady but reporters SPECULATED that kidney disease was the cause.

The CIA BELIEVED that bin Laden had Marfan syndrome or kidney disease.(Wright, Lawrence. The Looming Towern. New York: Vintage, 2006.)

The CIA THOUGHT that the possibility of kidney disease was credible. They concluded that bin Laden did not need dialysis, but does suffer from kidney stones.(Robert Windrem. “CIA is looking for a few good doctors.” NBC News, Dec. 29, 2004.)

On July 1, 2002, Time Magazine reported “. . . that physicians who analyzed photos of bin Laden determined that he PROBABLY suffers from secondary osteoporosis, which is often related to diabetes and kidney trouble”. (“Bin Laden Alive as of Late December”, Reuters; Sun Jun 30, 2002.)

Are you getting the picture? CONTENDED, SPECULATED, BELIEVED, THOUGHT, PROBABLY these are descriptive words for we don’t know shit about bin Laden’s true health condition.

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Now David Ray Griffin, who Tubularsock has very high regard for concluded that Osama bin Laden died in late 2001 or 2002. But when you look closely at Griffin’s claims his evidence is based on rather weak information, if you ask Tubularsock. (you may have noticed no one has asked Tubularsock)

David Ray Griffin states the following five things from his article “Osama Bin Laden: Dead or Alive?” to show that Bin Laden is dead:

“1. The CIA up until mid-December 13, 2001, had regularly been intercepting messages between bin Laden and his people. At that time, however, the messages suddenly stopped, and the CIA has never again intercepted a message. (maybe he figured out he was being listened to?)

 2. On December 26, 2001, a leading Pakistani newspaper published a story reporting that bin Laden had died in mid-December. ( oh! a leading Pakistani newspaper, then it must be true)

 3. Osama bin Laden had kidney disease. He had been treated for it in the American  Hospital in Dubai in July 2001, at which time he REPORTEDLY ordered two dialysis machines to take home. (see below)

 4. In July of 2002, CNN reported that bin Laden’s bodyguards had been captured in February of that year, adding: “Sources believe that if the bodyguards were captured away from bin Laden, it is likely the most-wanted man in the world is dead.” (maybe they were on break)

 5. The United States has since 2001 offered a $25 million reward for any information leading to the capture or killing of bin Laden. But this reward offer has produced no such information.” (until now)

But when you look at all five of these examples and follow them out they are all based on conjecture NOT HARD FACTS. Even Number 3, the Dubai hospital information can be called into question if you look at it.

The one reported “fact” that bin Laden was in the American Hospital in Dubai in July 2001 and according to CBS News “. . . was being given kidney dialysis treatment in a hospital in Pakistan . . . the night before the 9/11 attacks” was first reported by the French newspaper Le Figaro.

The story was drawn from a leak from French intelligence (according to The Guardian) and not only provided bin Laden’s hospital visit but also the story that the CIA Bureau Chief “. . . was seen in the lift, on his way to see Bin Laden, and later, it is alleged, boasted to friends about his contact. He was recalled to Washington soon afterwards”.

The hospital “emphatically” denied that bin Laden was admitted to the hospital and the CIA denied that their bureau chief visited. Oh gosh, just who can one believe?

And then there is the kidney dialysis treatment itself.

CNN reporting on Pakistan’s president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, speculation that bin Laden had likely died of kidney failure was then supported by CNN’s medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta who proceeded to evaluate A VIDEO with some earlier photos of bin Laden and concluded “. . . that he appeared to be in the last stages of kidney failure”.

From this Tubularsock would not go on record that bin Laden died in 2001 or in 2014 either. But what is clear is that whatever story the United States Government comes up with will be and is A LIE. That is the only FACT Tubularsock can draw from all of this bullshit.

Oh, but there’s more ……. wouldn’t you know.

According to Salon, in the article, The Many Deaths of Osama bin Laden on May 1, 2011 Justin Elliott writes:

“The false reports of Osama bin Laden’s death began almost immediately after Sept. 11, 2001, and persisted at a rate of at least once or twice a year, every year. The reports — generated by (usually anonymous) statements by American officials and a dizzying array of foreign sources — often generated international headlines.

Here’s a sampling:

July, 2002 FBI counterterrorism chief Dale Watson tells a law enforcement conference of bin Laden: “I personally think he is probably not with us anymore, but I have no evidence to support that.”

August,2002 Popular conspiracy-mongering radio host Alex Jones announces, citing high-level Bush administration sources, “that bin Laden died of natural causes and that his family has given the body to the CIA.” Jones added, “they’re gonna roll him out right before the election, he’s on ice right now.”

May, 2003 French military analyst announces that bin Laden was killed in an American air raid in Tora Bora shortly after the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.

February, 2004 Iranian Radio reports that bin Laden was captured in the Afghan-Pakistan border area “a long time ago” — but the official announcement was delayed because “Bush is intending to use it for propaganda maneuvering in the presidential election.”

April, 2002 The Israeli press picks up an account from a radical Muslim London newspaper: “We now report that the al-Qaeda organization has announced the death of Osama Bin Laden.”

September, 2006 French intel document says that Saudis believe bin Laden had died of typhoid in Pakistan.

June, 2008 Citing two unnamed officials, Time magazine reports that a recent CIA study has concluded bin Laden has long-term kidney disease and “may only have months to live.”

April, 2009 Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari tells the media that his country’s intel services “obviously feel that [bin Laden] does not exist anymore”’

But even here Justin Elliott shows bias by starting off his report with “The false reports of Osama bin Laden’s death . . .”

An interesting link that Tubularsock found in these travels to find bin Laden is:

http://www.newsmine.org/content.php?ol=9-11/binladen/death/fbi-%20says-bin-laden-probably-dead.txt

You will discover here that Osama bin Laden has spent more time dead than living. Which in itself is an amazing feat for this amazing man.

So all the attack toward Seymour Hersh and his article on the re-death of bin Laden on May 11, 2011 is just another bin Laden death. The only thing it lacks is the Dairy Queen sightings with Elvis.

But it could be the true death of bin Laden or it could just as easily NOT be his final death.

So it might be helpful for a quick “fill in the blanks” historically for you and this little video made by Tubularsock in 2007 may help you recall what all this Afghanistan business was all about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZFn407MpZc

If you ask Tubularsock ……. I LIKE BIN LADEN AND ALWAYS DID. (BUT NOBODY ASK TUBULARSOCK)

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Tubularsock was sitting in his top floor corner office in his underground bunker overlooking Washington, D.C. from Oakland, CA and pondering.

How is it that the United States can keep all the wars going on for years and years and just not run out of enemies. How can we be so good at this and can’t seem to fix our own streets, roads and bridges?

Is THIS what American Exceptionalism is all about? Being able to PREACH caring and peace by running undisciplined about the world kicking and screaming in reality about getting OUR own way? Disregarding ALL peoples in our way so we can get OURS even when what we want doesn’t belong to us.

So let Tubularsock define some terms to get things a bit more clear.

Now Tubularsock knows many of you know this already but as time passes we all forget some things because it just has become the way the United States does things.

The debate about how the U.S. does things is pushed aside by the continued doing of it to the point that it is soon forgotten by so many that there may be a different way to do it.

  1. pre-emptive strike IS AGGRESSION. Clear and simple.
  2. Un-declared war while bombing another country IS WAR.
  3. Torture IS torture no matter what fancy word one comes up with to attempt to cover it up.
  4. Signed treaties and agreements legally need to be followed by ALL. Not just by OTHERS.
  5. The rule of law NOT of men MEANS just that, the rule of LAW not of men.
  6. War criminals must be held accountable even if they are Americans.
  7. Regime change by “assisted” revolt or assassination is WAR.
  8. Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11
  9. Afghanistan didn’t either!
  10. An example of a terrorist state IS the United States.
  11. And to bring this home to you personally Tubularsock will remind you what your mother told you, “Just because your good friend is a jackass doesn’t mean you have to copy him!”
  12. al Qaida, ISIS, Neo-Nazis of Ukraine were all created and are supported by the U.S., Israel, and England and have and will continue to create BLOWBACK for years to come.
  13. Drones create more terrorists than they destroy.

And sure the list could go on but Tubularsock figures you got his point with the first example which only goes to show you that redundancy is so redundant.

And because you “got-it” from the first example Tubularsock is going to use the last example as his template for all examples. Now how easy is that?

About a little over two weeks ago the BBC News reported that, “A US drone strike in Yemen . . . killed three suspected al ­Qaeda members suggesting that US policy in the region is continuing as normal”.

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Now “. . . continuing as normal” means that the U.S. has been killing people by drones in Yemen since 2002 or for the past thirteen years. And up to this point the U.S. had a Yemenis puppet leader who went along with the U.S. killing but recently that leader was overthrown and the current Yemen government is a Shia-led rebel grouping known as the Houthis.

But the U.S. doesn’t care who is the leader of an independent country, we’ll drone them if we want because it’s “normal”! Makes Tubularsock wonder why somebody has taken all that time to draw all those border lines on all those maps if they really have no meaning. Oh, Tubularsock forgot …… the U.S. border lines are sacred, of course.

And when those supposed Arabs took out the Twin Towers the CROSSING of those U.S. border lines were duly noted, if you recall. It was even considered an attack!

But Tubularsock again is in a middle of a digression. So back to the main point.

Now “ . . . killed three suspected al­ Qaeda members . . . ” means …… well what it means in this case is not true.

You see “suspected” is a funny way to die. The drone operator doesn’t know if the occupants of the car they blew to hell really has REAL al Qaeda members inside.

So they are “suspected” which means that AFTER they are dead, well people on the ground report if they were al Qaeda or just another wedding party.

In fact, the Obama administration considers “all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants,” several administration officials told the New York Times in June 2012, “unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent.” And if they weren’t a “combatant” they are just dead with the distinction of being counted differently. You know how important accuracy is to the United States!

Well in this case two of the PEOPLE in the car were al Qaeda but the third PERSON was a thirteen year old boy ………. So who was he?

Mohammed Saleh Duaayman was 13 years old and in the sixth grade.

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(another digression: you do realize that EVEN if Mohammed had skipped death and got to the United States he still would have NOT been able to go to school with the Obama kids. They go to a private school for important people!)

According to his eldest sister, Mohammed was traveling from their home in Al-Zoor village to visit his father’s second wife at the time of the Jan. 26 drone strike.

Mohammed was traveling with two men who were members of AQAP (al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula), a source within the group previously told the Yemen Times. The sister said she is unaware whether the two men were AQAP members or not, but reaffirmed that her brother was innocent and was not a member of the organization.

Funny thing, Mohammed’s father and one of his brothers who was 17 at the time were blown apart by a drone back in 2011 while they were searching for a camel. It seems that his father and two of his brothers were sleeping when the drone spotted them. The drone was controlled by a CIA controller who had never been tired following a missing camel. And you know how difficult it is to ask questions about a situation from 20,000 feet so he blew them up. Hey,  you can’t be too careful driving a drone.

But the 14 year old brother hid in the rocks and was not killed but his brother and father were killed. He came home a day and a half later with the story. He had stayed in the rocks for a full day before he made his move.

Mohammed was 9 years at the time. Mohammed came from a large family. His father had four wives and 26 children—12 boys and 14 girls. And these are just a few of his brothers and sisters.

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His father supported his family by buying and selling used cars and herding sheep and camels. He also received about $500 a month from the government. He had fought against the Russians in Afghanistan and on his return the Yemenis security officials provided these funds to him so he would not join the al Qaeda forces within Yemen.

After his death the Yemenis security officials stopped the government payment and the local AQAP (al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula) started to help out the family and has done so for the last three years.

So what does that tell us? Well 10 boys left to join the AQAP. That’s what!

So two drone strikes kills a father and two sons and sets up an additional 10 fighters for al Qaeda. That’s the math which then explains why we have a continued supply of enemies. AND THIS IS JUST ONE FAMILY!

Data collected by the human rights group Reprieve and presented last November maintains that attempts to kill 41 targeted individuals across Pakistan and Yemen in recent years resulted in the deaths of some 1,147 people, the vast majority civilians and families. At that rate the U.S. has created a fucking shit-load of enemies and Obomber still says, “It is not neat and it is not simple, but it is the best option that we have”.

IS IT, REALLY?

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You know Tubularsock has been thinking about ISIS because Tubularsock doesn’t know what action is the patriotic thing to do.

Too much thinking CAN spoil the broth.

ISIS on the one hand is the evil of all evils. Or is that Dick Cheney? God! I get them so confused. ISIS on the other hand is the creation of the US, UK, and Israeli intelligence apparatus or at least that is what has been revealed by the leaked NSA documents by Edward Snowden. (Thanks Ed.)

The US, UK, and Israeli intelligence apparatus created a strategy known as the hornet’s nest in order to attract the fundamentalists from around the world to Syria to overthrow Assad’s Government.

Now does Tubularsock support ISIS because America created them or does Tubularsock not support ISIS because they are the most evil of evils, except for Dick Cheney? What would a real patriot do?

You see the U.S. wants a U.S.-friendly government in Syria. You know like a puppet government that would not cooperate with Iran and block the oil pipeline that is being built. If the Assad government had gone along with the U.S. and did their bidding then Syria would be classified as a wonderful world government. You know like Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Kuwait all with police state governments. But that works for the United States much like the newly American created neo-nazi government now in the Ukraine.

The United States support of oppressive governments is done because it’s GOOD FOR BUSINESS but the mantra has always been that we are doing this to BRING DEMOCRACY to the people.

You guessed it ……. the mantra, in truth, goes like this:

BULL SHIT, BULL SHIT, BULL SHIT, BULL SHIT, BULL SHIT, BULL SHIT, BULL SHIT …

Try it …………… no, aloud. It’s got great rhythm like most truth does. 

Now anyone who is just this side of mental retardation knows all this already. But Tubularsock likes to keep his eye on the prize and that is that repetition keeps the facts from falling down that sucking rabbit hole. You see once the news cycle spins the bull shit to scare you then they move on and funny thing ……. they don’t review. Especially when the “new facts” show that the stories being pushed are FALSE. It’s called propaganda.

Which brings Tubularsock to this, that may have been skipped over by the maimed-streamed-media. A document released by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden revealed that Ibrahim al­ Samarrai AKA Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, the man who leads ISIS, is an intelligence asset. Well imagine that!

An Intelligence Asset? You know, a CIA patsy. And he is the guy that is leading this evil of all evil (besides Dick Cheney) military operation.

Funny story, Abu Bakr al­ Baghdadi was radicalized by the 2003 invasion of Iraq and was captured in 2005 and spent four years in the United States’ Camp Bucca where he was constantly humiliated by the American forces much like the torture and humiliation conducted at Abu Ghraib Prison.

So here we have exactly why attacking and bombing isn’t effective. By doing it it only creates more terrorists and humiliation is a very powerful factor in solidifying resolve.

It has been reported that ISIS has grown in number by over 6000 since the beginning of this American bombing escapade. Now exactly what is it about the reality that bombing and drones create MORE terrorists that the Western mind doesn’t seem to understand?

It was reported around September 8th that Abu Bakr al­ Baghdadi had been killed by the American bombing but it still hasn’t been officially confirmed. But even if this is true Tubularsock hopes we don’t have to go through that same silly game that we did with Osama bin Laden’s death —— do you recall, he was reported “confirmed-dead”  seven times! And now that he is reported at the bottom of the sea we still can’t say for sure that he isn’t hiding out in Geneva, Switzerland.

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And did “killing” bin Laden even matter to al Qaeda? Nope!

And if true, will Abu Bakr al­ Baghdadi death matter to ISIS? Nope!

And if someone on Halloween reaches into Dick Cheney’s chest cavity and rips out his previously-owned heart and eats it ……… will that end evil? Well, Tubularsock thinks it may be a good start!

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Ever wonder what a “moderate-extremist” could be?

Now Tubularsock, knows what ‘moderate” means.

And Tubularsock knows what “extremist” means.

And Tubularsock knows what “give me a break!” means.

Really?  A “moderate-extremist”.

Now, that has to be one fucked up person!

Do you think that a “moderate-extremist” would be the one to cut off only three-quarters  of your head?

Do you think that a “moderate-extremist” only massacres half of a village?

Do you think that a “moderate-extremist” is ONLY a moderate so he can get more weapons and be able to sell them to the EXTREMISTS for a profit?

That is called (in economic terms) the Middle-Man.

You see Congress loves the free enterprise system. So they voted for the middle man and why not?  Congress plays to the middle for votes and then returns to the self-serving people they are. NO party excepted!

Now Tubularsock is not expecting any change in this “moderate-extremist” bull-shit but it is being brought to your attention as one of the many pearls of unexamined bull shit that is just sitting everywhere until you don’t even realize that it saturates your consciousness.

It’ is like “the jobless recovery” and “humanitarian-bombing” ………. sure ….

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