We will not go down In Gaza tonight

Posted: July 26, 2014 in Uncategorized

 

 

 

 

Tubularsock is tired of the U.S. not condemning Israel for their continued murdering of the Palestinian people. Is this what Hitler taught Israel to do? To continue the Holocaust? Shame on you Israel, shame!

Arwa

How did I forget sharing this song. I was listening to it 5 years ago and now again, touching me more than ever. Because we will not go down without a fight. They can burn everything but our spirits.

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  1. To make matters even worse, the US also cast the single no vote on a UN resolution to investigate Israel for war crimes in Gaza: http://mashable.com/2014/07/23/un-war-crimes-gaza/

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    • tubularsock says:

      You know what “they” say Dr.B ……. “It pays to be consistent!” Tubularsock was aware of this outrage and was still picking himself up off the ground in recovery when the AP reported that Kerry is pledging $47 million in humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip. Now just how nice is that? Tubularsock thinks this may prove that YOU CAN burn the candle at both ends!

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  2. I wonder. Do we “burn the candle at both ends”, or just speak out of both sides of our mouths? Either way, how can we last the night … or pass a smell test. Thank you for a fine post. – Linda

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    • tubularsock says:

      Thanks for your comment, Linda. Tubularsock will remember not to stand down wind!

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    • wolfess says:

      Well we are talking about politicians here … they were raised from a very young age to ‘talk out of both sides of their mouths’; pretty much like that ancient joke:
      How can you tell when a politician is lying? His lips are moving.

      Tube, I agree with you about Israel’s behavior being way too much like what Hitler did to the Jewish people in 1930s Germany. I will resist the urge to blame all Israelis as we peons are examples of those who disagree with what their government is doing, but as yet don’t have the strength in numbers that it takes to rebel.

      Pwr 2 the REBELLING peons!
      GUILLOTINE COMPLACENCY!

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      • tubularsock says:

        Thanks for your comment wolfess. Tubularsock agrees with you that blaming all Israelis is not warranted nor is believing that all Palestinians are blameless. There are many different agendas going on at the same time. It just saddens Tubularsock that with horrific consequences like these that so many totally innocent people are harmed and are unable to do anything about it. Hamas is not innocent in their determination to destroy Israel and not all Palestinians are pro-Hamas. Yet Israel’s response is collective retaliation just as Hamas’ missile attacks are indiscriminate. But when hatred speaks all lose their way.

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      • wolfess says:

        Exactly! In this current situation no one is innocent (except the children); unfortunately, those who shout the loudest are the ones who will be heard first, and the weapons being used are equal to some damned loud shouting. I fear for this planet … 😦

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      • tubularsock says:

        Tubularsock blames the children! Have you notice as you look at these so called “world leaders” that they act like undisciplined 5 year olds on a play ground? Now THAT is fucking scary.

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      • wolfess says:

        I would say that the lot of them deserve a sound spanking, but I’m afraid with many of them that would just excite them more! 🙂

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      • tubularsock says:

        funny …… but true

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      • wolfess says:

        You know I have a new puppy at my house … I have been taking her for walks and letting her out every hour all day and all evening in a valiant attempt to get her to understand that her bathroom is OUTside. 🙂 She didn’t seem to be catching on at all … I caught her in my bedroom Monday eve ‘doing her thing’ and it dawned on me that she hid to do it b/c she knew it was wrong; so I spanked her and carried her outside and gave her plenty of time to ‘think about it’. She hasn’t done her thing in the house since!!!! If I had known spanking her would cause that momentous a change almost immediately I would have done it sooner! 🙂
        p.s. today is her 3 month birthday 🙂

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      • tubularsock says:

        Now you’ve done it, wolfess ……..

        Your little puppy that you have spanked and brow-beaten now will need psychological assistance to cure it’s phobias. Of course Tubularsock, for a small fee, will help you out, with doggie therapy. You know, to bring the inner puppy back into the adult dog.

        It’s just a matter of time ……….. call today, Tubularsock’s Puppy Rejuvenation Process™

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      • wolfess says:

        You have no idea how guilty my inner goddess feels for committing such a heinous crime! I feel my only salvation is to allow you to teach me the correct and loving way to raise such an outstanding furbaby! My entire body is at your disposal, O Wise One, lead me in the way I should go! 🙂

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      • tubularsock says:

        grasshopper, snatch the pebble from my hand ……..

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  3. Charles Schwartz says:

    Consider this comment from someone who lost a whole chunk of my family in the Holocaust. Jews have been persecuted for thousands of years. Nothing has changed. Much of the support for the Palestinian cause in America, and the rest of the world, is nothing more than deep, deep grained anti-Semitic feelings. Unelected, brutal dictators and kings have used the Palestinian people as pawns in the game known as “Drive the Jews into the Sea.” The problem with this vicious game is that they have not been able to win. Do you recall when the Palestinians fought a war with their Hashemite brothers in Jordan? Jordan had a real army so we know who won. It would have been possible to carve out a land for the Palestinians using part of Jordan. But, the Arafats of the world would rather destroy Israel than aid the Palestinian people. Today, the unelected rulers of Gaza proclaim that their goal is to destroy Israel. They shoot rockets into Israel to kill the Jews. Tell me, in what other war does one side warn the other sides civilians when they are about to attack? And, Hamas tells these same civilians to stand in place. You, who are pro-Palestinian, ponder this: The Israeli oppression of the Palestinian people will end as soon as those who use them as tools will renounce as their goal the destruction of Israel.

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    • tubularsock says:

      Charles, welcome to Tubularsock. And thank you for your comment.

      Tubularsock agrees with you that the Palestinian people have been used as pawns by a number of “brutal dictators and kings” over the years. That being said the Israeli has too have been used as pawns by the sick and fucked up Zionists over the years as well.

      Put those in combination and you have just one aspect of this continuous conflict.

      The peace movement within Israel has been thwarted at every turn by different governments of Israel over the years. And the Netanyahu Government has been no different. In fact the Knesset in 2013 voted to raise the voting thresholds in future elections from 2 to 4 percent as an attempt to limit Arab representation. And the search for peace is not on the agenda.

      Your view that “. . . support for the Palestinian cause in America, and the rest of the world, is nothing more than deep, deep grained anti-Semitic feelings” rings a bit hollow to Tubularsock.

      The lack of humanity shown by the Israeli military and the current sitting government as well as the 1065 to 51 kill ratio may have something to do with it.

      With 48 Israeli soldiers killed and 3 civilians killed vs. 1065 Palestinian civilians killed and 6000 wounded Tubularsock would contend that anti-Semitic feelings are not the cause of the anti-Israel outrage!

      Tubularsock is not anti-Semitic just because he thinks Israel is fucked.

      Israel continues it’s apartheid system against the Palestinian people and has created a Warsaw Ghetto style life for them and uses the punish-them-all for the acts of a few and when they react the Israeli’s build more settlements on land that is not theirs and you think, Charles, that the negativity against Israel is deep grained anti-Semitic feelings?

      Tubularsock doesn’t buy that position at all!

      As has always been the case they each poke each in the eye in their eye-for-an-eye belief structure and as a result they all become blind.

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    • Jeff Nguyen says:

      “Much of the support for the Palestinian cause in America, and the rest of the world, is nothing more than deep, deep grained anti-Semitic feelings.”…It’s not anti-Semitism, it’s anti-genocide. The world should have protested more when the Jewish people were being led to their deaths in Europe and the world should protest more when the Palestinian people are being led to their deaths in the occupied territories.

      “Tell me, in what other war does one side warn the other sides civilians when they are about to attack?”…this is not compassionate or humane, it’s psychological warfare to keep the people in a constant state of fear and terror. The collective punishment that Israel has inflicted upon the people of Gaza is a war crime and should be treated as such.

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  4. Charles Schwartz says:

    Many innocent people die during war. War is horrible. We Americans are very lucky. We have not had that horror visit us. Kill ratios are a finite way of describing the slaughter, but, each and every victim means all to loved ones and family. Dig deep and the fog clears a little bit. Jews slaughtered regularly throughout the ages, find an ancient homeland after one of the great purges nearly did them in. Problem was that there were some other folks that called the same land home. Some colonial powers carved out a few states and granted one, “Israel,” to the Jews. Muslim neighbors did not, and do not, accept the existence of Israel. This is the fundamental fact that needs to change. Once “Israel,” the nation state home of the Jews, is accepted by its neighbors, once the existence of that state is acknowledged by the Muslim world, the war will end. Israel will be generous towards its neighbors and peace can follow. But, until that acceptance comes, war is the fact on the ground.
    PS – Settlements are just a distraction, kind of like bait.

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    • tubularsock says:

      Thanks Charles for taking the time to comment on Tubularsock and hope we can do it often. Tubularsock agrees that war is a very sad way to conduct human relationships.

      And every death means something deeply to someone. So let that rest in peace.

      The issue as Tubularsock see it is the fact that, “Problem was that there were some other folks that called the same land home”.

      Now that’s a bitch!

      Tubularsock has never understood why ANYONE would trust a colonial power with anything let alone their word! But the Jews did accept their word and Israel was born.

      Smack-dab in the middle of the Muslim World …….. Tubularsock suspects that the neighborhood was a little different during the “ancient homeland” period of history so the new neighborhood may not have been the best place to settle-in.

      Yet …….. they did.

      From that point in time Israel and the Muslim World have been killing each other over a land grab!

      Now, Tubularsock has no idea about how to please ANYONE in a complete and utter fiasco such as this!

      But it may be as simply as Abuser Syndrome: where Jews have been victimized and slaughtered for so long that they collectively walk back into the abusive arrangement.

      Hence, the Jewish Zionist Movement created a situation to continue to be victimized as Jews and Israel was the result.

      And if so then the Colonial Powers were fuck’en with the Jews!

      Another perfect reason to NEVER trust a colonial power.

      But what if Israel was created just to keep the Middle East in constant turmoil? Now who would win doing that? Maybe the culprits are closer than we think.

      But rest assured that it is not going to benefit the regular people of the region. That you can bank on!

      P.S — Settlements are just a sharp-stick in the eye. Does Israel really want peace?

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      • Charles Schwartz says:

        Settlements are a bargaining chip. It helps to have something in reserve, something that you can offer the other guy when you get down to serious negotiations. Of course, those serious negotiations will only begin with the acceptance of the state of Israel.

        At this point I don’t think we can lay the responsibility for the present state of affairs in the Middle East on the colonial powers. To much water under the bridge for that. Following the end of World War II Great Britain was shedding colonies like a dog sheds water. My belief is that they were just trying to get out of Dodge.

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      • tubularsock says:

        Thanks Charles. So I guess one could say that “the right to exist” is a bargaining chip as well as the unguided missiles from Hamas. Do you really see Israel giving up the settlements? And does the right to exist eliminate the right of return?

        Does the right to exist eliminate the right of others besides Jews to be represented in government within Israel?

        Tubularsock sees a discordance between the Palestinian and Israeli peoples and the power structures that controls them which maintains their importance by riling up and maneuvering war scenarios.

        There will always be some Palestinians and Israelis that will never let go of the hatred but there are many that have and would if that direction was pursued in ernest. At least from my reading of what the peace movement within the area is saying.

        Tubularsock is not a big fan of either Hamas or Netanyahu and as long as they are pushing their own agendas there is little chance in peace.

        Tubularsock sees the colonial powers have just morphed into a different configuration of control than they used before WWII and wouldn’t rule out their manipulation. The U.S. for one is using the old divide and conquer principal as a destructive force rather well at the moment. And yes, it has already come back to haunt us. But that too my be calculated into the outcome.

        From Tubularsock’s point of view the reality is that Israel does exist therefore all Tubularsock has to do, for the world, is to work out the details.

        Thanks for your comment, Charles. Tubularsock appreciates your contribution and insights.

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      • Charles Schwartz says:

        Israel will cede some of the settlements. They will not go back to the pre 1967 borders. Look at a map and you can see that those borders pinched the country nearly in two and are not defensible.

        You write: “Does the right to exist eliminate the right of others besides Jews to be represented in government within Israel?” You should know that there are Arab Israelis represented in the Knesset. Also consider that Israel is a working democracy. Those enemies sworn to destroy Israel are a bunch of unelected thugs and murders. Somehow, folks seem to miss this point. So, I will emphasize it: The government of Israel is elected by its people. The leaders of Hamas hold power by force of arms.

        I agree that as long as Hamas and Netanyahu are in charge things are unlikely to change. I do appreciate your recognizing the existence of Israel. That is more than Hamas, Hezbollah, Saudi Arabia, Iran and a few hundred million other people refuse to do. With that reality, Israel really has no choice. They must maintain the strongest military in the region, and, when things get bad, use that military. Tell me, what country on earth would do nothing if its neighbors were shooting deadly rockets across their borders? When in a war the idea is to defeat your enemies. You use what power you have to accomplish that goal. You don’t consider the weakness of your opposition when you commit your forces. Comments regarding genocide and war crimes are more propaganda than truth based and anyone with a clear understanding of the opposition to the existence of the State of Israel understands this reality.

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  5. heila2013 says:

    Hamas is a cancerous, malicious tumor that needs to be radically destroyed, even if that entails damaging surrounding healthy tissue.

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    • tubularsock says:

      heila2013, thanks for your comment. Hamas isn’t a big favorite of Tubularsocks’ but it appears your position is prevalent in the minds of those who oppose Israel’s existence as well if you switch Hamas for Israel in your statement.

      The treatment of the Palestinians by the State of Israel as a collective beating-boy does not bode well for bringing about peace. It hasn’t in all these years ……. so, continuing the same tactic gets the same results. Doesn’t seem bright to Tubularsock.

      And as the news of Israel’s continued bombing of a trapped people who can’t leave to try and be safe only makes Israel look bad. This kind of PR isn’t working well as far as Tubularsock is concerned.

      However, be safe as you can because either side’s bombs don’t seem to care who they kill.

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  6. heila2013 says:

    Dear Tubularsock,

    Firstly, a correction: I meant malignant and not malicious (although both could fit here…).

    I have to leave the house now but I’ll get back to you in response to your comment. 🙂

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