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Tubularsock has always been impressed with the Clintons and their ability to lift themselves up from the “lower-classes” and out sleaze the political-sleaze-balls that sleaze about Washington, D.”Ceaze”.

And one of the great scams going down is the Clinton Foundation. If you want something “fixed” or say a hefty government contract, or a couple well used whores that Bill lost interest in, well the Clinton Foundation is the place to shop.

And what is great is that even Chelsea got a job there. Sweet.

None of the Clintons  draw a salary from the foundation that just wouldn’t seem right, right? But they do enjoy first-class flights paid for by the foundation. And they do set up their “friends” with high paying jobs.

According to nonprofit experts the Clinton Foundation spends far below the 75 percent rate of spending that  a good charity should spend on its mission. The bulk of it spending centers on administration, travel, and salaries and bonuses, with the fattest payouts going to family friends.

Charity Navigator, which rates nonprofits, last year refused to rate the Clinton Foundation because its “atypical business model . . . doesn’t meet our criteria.”

Charity Navigator put the foundation on its “watch list,” which warns potential donors about investing in problematic charities.

So it appears that influence peddling is just part of the Clinton Foundation …………

But the real advantage for Tubularsock, if people fail to recognize Hillary Clinton for what she really is and vote her into the White House, is it will make Tubularsock’s task much easier. All Tubularsock will have to do is check the “donation” schedule of the Clinton Foundation and know just where American foreign policy is headed. Easy!

For example, while Hillary was secretary of state, she signed off on a deal that allowed a Russian government enterprise to control one-fifth of all uranium producing capacity in the United States. Rosatom, the Russian company, acquired a Canadian firm controlled by Frank Giustra, a friend of Bill Clinton’s and member of the foundation board, who has pledged over $130 million to the Clinton family charity.

And you have been led to believe that Russia is our enemy ………… silly people!

Nothing to see here folks, move along, move along ………..

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  1. Lara/Trace says:

    Just a tidbit: the CF put their offices in Harlem on 125th. Smart? Just a ploy.

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    • tubularsock says:

      Well here’s the deal …… Bill was going to rent office space on the 56th floor of Carnegie Hall Tower for $738,700 a year back in 2001 according to the N.Y. Times BUT the criticism was so intense that he rented in Harlem for $210,000 a year and took a 10 year lease.

      Well times change and nobody is looking anymore so the Clinton Foundation is now located in midtown Manhattan just blocks away from Rockefeller Center and Central Park.

      So Tubularsock would go for ……. ploy!

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  2. swo8 says:

    Isn’t she something else? Wish she was.
    Leslie

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  3. donzo442 says:

    Bubba and the blue dress. Not necessarily an indie rock band.

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  4. sojourner says:

    Tube elect wrote,

    “And you have been led to believe that Russia is our enemy ………… silly people!’

    I’ve been arguing with a friend for months that Russia is just as owned and operated as the U.S. Corporation, as is China, etc, etc, etc.

    And yet, I’ll be posting an article soon, that states a “nucular” (Bush Jr speak) war is coming.

    Maybe Putin and buddies will be underground with the Clintons and Rothschilds when the mushrooms start sprouting? I’ll take the mushrooms and annihilation over surviving with these muther fuckers!

    Boys and girls, can you say convoluted and twisted, can you say retrograde inverted bs?

    On the main topic, Bill and Hillary are criminals who should be in prison or hooked up to the chemicals, waiting for the end! But then this is true of almost every rich-bitch politician on the planet!

    Except, of course, Tube!

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    • tubularsock says:

      Tubularsock is with you on this ……. more scary to be stuck underground with those fuckers!
      And, oh sure …….. Tubularsock is an exception to rule!

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    • Abracadabra says:

      Ha.. It is pretty doubtful statements. Actually Russia now is greedily sucking in\absorbing all the possible technology (esp. civil one) from Europe and even partially from Canada (Bobmardier railroad tech and some others) b\c of cheaper labor force, chaep rubble and far lower taxes.
      They took Chinese example in a limited version – only for technologies, manufacture and plants\factroies that they are lacking or what were loft after USSR collapse. It is actaully much chaeaper that develop their own from zero and also they are not critilcal for the country millitary or energy security. So why not? )
      Infact such a hurry is talking about possible collapse in the West and even Western Europe in the nearest feauture. That is why Russia is so hurry and greddy in useful civil tech adoption and transfer – they want to get them before that collapse b\c\ collpase.
      Soon after they will start to mix adopted tech with their own which in many areas is very strong – jsut the same way as China.
      However China went in this matter not only for useful tech they lack, but full-scale with alot of manufacturing amounts in all industry areas for profit generating in China what resulted in overproduction and enviroment pollution.
      Russia at this point is pretty wealthy, so they are adopting only useful for them tech without serious harm for the nature or society… while also developing their own tech A LOT!..esp. in crucial and strategic industries.

      Russia just started to use the same “tactics” and “weapon” that The West used centrueis against Russia – corruption stumulation , bribes and payed economical and political lobby just for securing russian interests.
      And they are doing these in tandem with China.
      And i can assure you that in US and in The West in genral such approach will work much better that in Russia or China… you just have to offer some cash there and will be able to buy even mothers of those who you are bribing in The West…and Russian and China now have those money.

      China now is also feel very fine, they are decreasing redundant overproduction. slowly switching from from export to internal market, changing the structure of manufacturing to hi-end tech instead of trash, developening their own tech and quality PRODUCTS a lot the same time.
      Also they started a lot of infrastructual projects as in China as abroad, Chinese goverment declared ecological course not so long ago – so we can expcet that soon they will solve the problem with polutions and other related.

      [b]Don’t trust the western press and picture of China – info about China in western media is even more biased than info about Russia.

      Infact China’s develompent (esp. during last 10 years) is mindblowing! Read some expats blogs from China, who lives there at least 4-5 years. .. or watch some videoblogs.. esp. good ones might be from travelers of Aut0St0pers…however i dunno if such western one exist. From russian folks such ones exist – extreemely informative…and really mindblowing.[/b]

      Even today salaries and weges for educated professionals in China are already more interesting than in many europenian countries and there…

      So there is tech. no reason for Russia or China to go to any war – they DON”T want that. They today have everything they need- absolutely EVERYTHING! The only thing they need – is a peacful calm load of time to used and open all their abilities and potential! If they would plan some wars they wouldn’t invest SO MUCH into various transportaion(railroads, roads, civil aviation, northern marine way, Silk Belt) and energy infractructure (areterial gas and oil pipelines, LNGs facilities etc) and energy technologies (floating NPP, Fast-Neutron wastfree nuclear energy and many many more, real electrovechicle tech).

      [b]Eh… i can wrote tens of pages about, but again – better find some quality insight expat’s blogs and videoblogs – you will find how things really going on there.[/b]

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      • sojourner says:

        “[b]Don’t trust the western press and picture of China – info about China in western media is even more biased than info about Russia.”

        I don’t listen to western media, haven’t for several years now, nor do most of the people who frequent this site.

        All you said here, could very well be true, but that still doesn’t mean that the same elite powers running the west are not running Russia and China!

        I am not saying for sure they are. But history would suggest they are. You might want to at least read the first chapter of the following text:

        http://joeplummer.com/tragedy-and-hope-made-easy.html

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      • tubularsock says:

        Well there is no question that the Western media isn’t helpful with any truth of just about anything!
        Even TIDE doesn’t really get your clothes cleaner! But sojourner does make an interesting point that “the same elite powers” may be running the entire show!

        Tubularsock wouldn’t know, however it is clear that the American, Russian, and Chinese people sure aren’t in control of shit!

        Thanks Abracadabra for your insights.

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      • tubularsock says:

        sojourner, great link. You may be on to something with this elite power control shit. (in fact Tubularsock knows you are) Tubularsock has often looked for the “mother ship”! Tubularsock knows it’s there someplace.
        Thanks for your comments and for sharing your knowledge.

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      • Abracadabra says:

        RE:[http://joeplummer.com/tragedy-and-hope-made-easy.html] – i read it a little. It looks a little \ somekind of a mix Alex Jones conspiracy\tin foil + typical wester arrogance about Russia’s insights and history formed by mass-propaganda during tens of years in press\literature\think-tanks\media\etc what leaded to intoxication of brains on some moents even of those ones who always looked positively on Russia.

        RE:[All you said here, could very well be true, but that still doesn’t mean that the same elite powers running the west are not running Russia and China!] – well, i don’t know how things goes on in China in matter of Elites b\c firstly China ispretty closed on this matter and secondly you should know a least some mandarin to start research such subject and i don’t know mandarin at all(only going to start learning to some basic lavel b\c of potential usability in future).

        But i can say a lot about Russia instead. 😉

        You, there is searious HISTORICAL difference betweeen The West and Russia exist – the fundamental one.
        The world for The West (esp. US, but for Europe too) always was and still is the material base or source of income\profits and main source of wealth. I will not describe here now whole the mechanics and instruments how The WEst always used and is using now the world for its own wealth securing – i hope that many pll, who read this blog know this if not well then at least fair enough.
        This why The West ALWAYS tries to conquer and control the world! Now USA\UK, before – UK and Europenian Countries.
        B\c without the world which will supply them, which they will use and exploit The west can NOT seruce its own wealth and development. – this is the main reason of unstoping expansions, conquers and wars(incl. proxy ones) of western civilization no matter what pretext\excuse\pretence was used(religous-damn Rome Catholics, ideologic – democracy, freedom, capitalism, enemy- communists, terrorists, islamists, humanitarian – color revolutions, “medical help” in Africa or even charity and so on)
        Actually the forces of the western civilization didn’t change during centrueis – they just move their head quater from time to time (FRance, Spain, Portugal, UK, USA, Belgium etc).
        This is also the real reason of globalization so much pushed and promoted by The West – new form of conquering – economic an financial one.
        Whole western civilization and economy is builded on exploitation and robbering of the other world. Nothing changed today! Moreover even mentality of ppl didn’t change – you are very naive if you think that Europenians or Americans are all nice peacful ppl – just take away their wealth and you will see what will happen. 😉 And the world slowly if cutting “free stuff” and becoming independent from the West – as reasult you can already see how shit is slowly fly to the fan as in US as in Europe….and already now – in the very begining slow reappearance of nazi already can be obserable in Europe for example… in the very begining(shit is still far away from the fan).

        Russia’s case on the contrary have totaly different nature as now as historicaly. And that thing is also fundamental one.

        If for The West The world – is vital source of wealth and essential substance for existence, then for Russia The world – is ALWAYS source of troubles, wars, enemies, looters, disturbance and all possible problems. And this phenomena remain the same for already 400 years!

        This is the reson why Soviets tried to isolate Russia by building the alternative SEPARATED socialistic world – not b\c they consder US as enemy and not b\c of Colda War, which was NOT stated by them, but by bastard..sorry – sir Churchil. But such approach unfortunately failed in strategic long term perspective and The West at the end found ways how robe and exploit Russia again. This is why Putin said many times – no any isolation now.

        Russia in a civilization term is not Only Russian Federation, but whole former USSR or Russian Empire and in such form it is THE MOST self self-sufficient land and state in world in ALL possible senses and potentially the welthiest in the world in long perspective b\c of this and some few other features.
        So Russian civilization DON”T need the world – it can exist without it abs. FINE! Infact Russia is reluctant to interact\cooperate with the world b\c the world is ALWAYS the source of Russia’s troubles. So prevent those troubles in early stage and to deter the enemy forces Russia decided that now no more isolationism will be used(b\c its not working properly) – instead Russia and China are going to “infect” or “contaminate” and corrupt The West from inside now and in such way establish some level of control and inteligence, not alowing The West to bring new troubles to Russia or China in observable future again.
        Russia don’t need and never needed anything from The West or even from the world – it needs only to be leaved in peace and calm for a steady development and anthing needed for that development it has and alwasy had. Exist few other additionals moments – such as that Russian civilization area together is one of the least populated huge regions of the world(1\6-1\5 approx) and the same time the richest one in matter of all possible sources per captia what is very important stragically and in long perspective and some others less obvious aspects

        This is why elite powers of The West and elite powers of The Russia naturally can NOT be the same – they are different in core, different in a goals and targets and that is why different in ideology, worldview, methods and approaches. And all those differences are fundamental and historical ones – they are the same already for 400 years.

        Desribing goals in short: Russia as China don’t want the global dominance and to become the masters of world as The West elites. For what would Russia need that? What the world can give Russia it already don’t have?
        The longterm goal of Russia – to become energy superpower in all ways(oil, natural gas, cutting edge nuclear power and nuclear fusion in future) and cutting edge technological superpower and high-end tech provider togehter with bigest organic food provider…. , where NOT big, but wealthy and well educated population will be working mainly in cutting edge tech. industries and science (like fudamental sceince, all ways of engineering and high-end chemistry, bicotech, space exploraration and solar system mining and so on).

        The longterm goal of China as i can understand(i’m not sure) – is to become the quality consumer producs manufacture superpower with whom no one else will be able compete nor in qulity nor in amounts nor in price per quality. Such pproach will secure Chinese ppl wealth as well as good society and civil and consumer tech development.

        So in such way Russia and China are complementing each other and this is the core of their cooperation.

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      • tubularsock says:

        Abracadabra, thank you for your comment. Overall, Tubularsock agrees with you on your overview. But when it comes to the Russian oligarchs, they don’t really care for the people of Russia any more than the oligarchs from any of the Western Countries care about their respective peoples. And there lies the “game”! That is what Zbigniew Brzezinski
        geostrategist chess game is all about. And it is the oligarchs that move the pieces! It is all covered over in words like “freedom, self determination, equality” but both Eastern and Western oligarchs are working only on one thing ……. control. And to perform that task they help support the fear of the people so as to control them. Whether in Russia, U.S., China, or the European Union. So “tin-foil-hats” or not …… what we “think” we see isn’t what is going on.

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      • Abracadabra says:

        Em… you are wrong and right the same time. 🙂 Hard to explain (esp. in brief), but i will try.

        1)Most part of those oligarchs you are talking appeared in 90s in Russia – just after collapse of USSR and western neo-colonisation of Russia. Most part of them(the most agressive and betrayal ones to national interests) are already removed , injailed or kicked out of the country.
        2)Some little part remained of those oligarch from 90s … but they are in very different position to their western colleagues and here is why:
        in Russia as opposite to The West the top power is state or government power, but not business and corporate establishment. Concetration and centralization of the power in state\governmental hand iv very high- almost absolute.That is why those little remained part of oligarchs were forced to work for the State interests and National Interests – otherwise they would have the same destiny as one from point #1 above 🙂
        these ramined oligarch who agreed to serve the state and national interests are generally in very vulnerable position in the face of The State \ government b\c almost laways all their capitals and assets vere gained illegally during 90s and technically origins from public ownership b\c\ were created by ppl during USSR times. That is why such assets and derivated from them capitals can be confiscated \expropriated for benefit of the country and into State ownership any moment on legal base if thoser oligarch will start to act against inational and country interests. That is deal why they were allowed to exist and technically you can consider them as ones who were administered the oath fro serving Russia’s State interests.
        3)From 90s there are some small forces in russian goverment remained, who are working against Russia and want to establish the same order here as in the west and include Russia into global neo-colonial neo-liberal plutocracy. It is hard to find the right term for them in english…well yuo can call them like neo-liberals, agents of foreign influence or 5th column.
        I will not desribe here all the details and thin moments of this phenoma b\c it will require few tens of text pages min, but there is a war\ fight under carpet is going on in Russia between this neo-liberal 5th column and Putins team together with other patriotic forces. And Patriotic forces are winning – that is why BrainWashington, LondonStan and BrusSELLs together with Soros and other well known bastards are so upset and so angry about Russia ))).
        4)In Russia almost all crucial and strategic industries are State owned, MIC is also completely in State ownership, all infrastructure and infrastructure operating companies \ operators are also in the government property.
        5)The concentration of state power and control continue to grow – that is why GMOs were completely banned, foreigh companies and individual can’t buy a land in Russia, control of food industry and standarts is growing, the same grow of control is now obserable for investment activity and even for various exchanges inc. commodities and stock ones(esp. notable for MOEX and MICEX). A lot of things are done and are being done now in right way – even civil car manufactures if they want to sell cars in Russia should build the factories\plants in Russia with localisation of manufacturing at least 80-90%. There Chevrolet, Mercedes, Opel, Toyota, Suzuki, Volvo, Nissan, Renault and many others are actually build in Russia.
        There is serious activity for de-offshorisation of Russian business going on now – business is forced to return the capitals into Russia tax jurisdiction together with amnesty on previous tax evasions in offshores. There is polt of public property – you can’t make a natural lake or part of the beach a private property even if you will build the hotel there etc. Actaully very many right things and moves to positive direction can be told and named.

        Or for example russian ppl are offered now additoinal FREE land – here is some english clicknews on the subject:

        But there is a missinformation in the video: free land is offered only to Russian citizens(partly for Ukranians, Belarussians and Kazakhs) and ppl who can prove their russian blood\origin and speak fluent russian language in other countries. Also there not only 2,5 acres offered – but up to 8 acres or up to 2,5acres pear each family member.
        Also the free land for russians is offered not in some ice-desert or trash-place, but in amazing, beautiful, rich and fertile regions of the russian far-east:


        So overall you are not right… in Russia exist some not big amount of remained oligarhs, but they are on the governmental chain and don’t have real power and moreover they lose their influence even more these days.

        Totally opposite situation is Ukraine – there is exactly the siatuation as you described, but not in Russia.
        However things in Russia are not completely fine, they much mcuh better than in the west, but not perfect – and russian ppl know and see that. A lot of work should be done additionally and right forces are now in the power and control and that is why they have full ppl support.

        To my observations and analytics there is no more than 10-15 years are need to make things if not perfect then almost perfect. And thx God all is going that way… not fast, but steady! 😉

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      • tubularsock says:

        Abracadabra, thank you for your response. This would not be the first time Tubularsock may be wrong so be that as it may.

        And Tubularsock doesn’t know any oligarchs personally so what they are up to behind the scenes can only be guessed.

        So from your information there are somewhat controlled oligarchs within Russia who “. . . were allowed to exist and technically you can consider them as ones who were administered the oath fro serving Russia’s State interests”.

        Along with them there are “5th column” oligarchs within the Russian Government who are fighting “Putins team” for control.

        Now Tubularsock believes you that the “5th column” oligarchs are out to take as much control as possible but didn’t Putin himself soon after taking over remove the Yeltsin-era elite and put in a new elite in its place—mostly from St. Petersburg, equally corrupt, but loyal exclusively to him?

        And what are these estimates that Putin’s net worth is $200 billion?

        Tubularsock doesn’t know any of this to be true but it does present the question that if Putins team” are just another brand of oligarchs fighting for control then we are back to the original point: who can you trust?

        Now the biggest issue in discussing this entire mess is the propaganda that is in place on all sides of this issue. To formulate a true picture may be impossible only because the lies and false statements are all over the place.

        Tubularsock likes RT’s views when they evaluate American news because they express more truth than the American press but RT is not as forthcoming when they discuss Russian news. And the American press is totality biased against Russia. So true information is difficult to find. So that is where you come in Abracadabra. Tubularsock may not agree with all of what you say but there is much that we are in agreement about.

        You may be a little too optimistic about the your “almost perfect” prediction, however.

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      • Abracadabra says:

        RE: [That is what Zbigniew Brzezinski geostrategist chess game is all about. And it is the oligarchs that move the pieces! It is all covered over in words like “freedom, self determination, equality” but both Eastern and Western oligarchs are working only on one thing ……. control.”]
        You are right about that polish asshole Zbigniew and actually what he described was an official foreign policy of GB and Gb-extension(USA) for the last 400 years.

        But can you name At LEAST ONE episode in history when Russia or moreover russian oligarchs or end “shadow elite” tried to control the world… or even encicrcle the the USA or UK or damn France physically \ millitary?

        RE:[And to perform that task they help support the fear of the people so as to control them.]
        And about Soviet times? What kind of oligarchs were in Soviet Union? Can you name me at least few ones?
        In USSR there was no any histeria about The West as oppsoite to situation in UK and esp. in US! Soviet ppl NEVER was afraid of The West! Yes, they know that the west was their enemy and wanted to hurt\damage their country, but they was NOT afraid!…and afterall soviet ppl and soviet propaganda actually were completely right on this point.

        Moreover all ppl like to talk about Cold War, but who started it..and moreover why?
        So you see, here is misconceptions: there is never was any oligarchs in USSR, but conftrontaion shit in the world was the same, soviet ppl were extreemely moral and ethic (much better than ppl today and much better than westerners), educated without any fear of The West, but shit was the same, so-called “evil” soviet communists did much more good things to world than the west nd produced much more moral, etichal and just society and ppl than the west, BUT still shit around USSR was the same.
        WHY? Can Tubularsock explain that phenomena? 😉

        RE: [So from your information there are somewhat controlled oligarchs within Russia who “. . . were allowed to exist and technically you can consider them as ones who were administered the oath fro serving Russia’s State interests”]. Yup, they appeared naturaly during property haos in 90s, some of them agreed to serve for the State interests and that is why they were allowed to stay b\c otherwise in would be much more expensive to relocate their property and assets and industries back to government ownership and create the same time effective mangement and development.
        You should understand Russia at those moment HAD TONS of other troubles – you can not even imagine how many! So if some oligarchs were able to develop industries and resolve some tiny part of those huge pack of the russian troublea generally serving Russian intertests -that was in acceptable deal at those hard times.
        I can say you that if UK or Western Europe will ever face such a situation as faced Russia – there will be a civil war..if US will ever face that -there will a be literally the Tarantino style blood bath all over the country!

        RE:[Along with them there are “5th column” oligarchs within the Russian Government who are fighting “Putins team” for control.]
        NO!
        Ther is no any serious “5th column oligarchs” – all of them are removed from asstes or capitals, alredy injailed, kicked out of the country! The last one was Hodorkovskiy.

        Separately exist so-called “5th column” inside the government(esp. ner its economic and financial part) and near so-called “civil society” and economic\fiancial think-tanks, but they are not oligarchs per se – they are just traitors on sallary, grants and kickbacks from StateDep, Soros, USAIDm Freedom Hhouse and many-many other various foundations, funds, trusts, corps and so on.

        I’m repeating you oligarchs in Russin have no serious control on the Govermental Power. They had such control in 90s, but now situation is totally opposite – The State in Russia is powerfull again. Now in Ukraine situation is like in Russia in 90s.

        RE:[Now Tubularsock believes you that the “5th column” oligarchs are out to take as much control as possible but didn’t Putin himself soon after taking over remove the Yeltsin-era elite and put in a new elite in its place—mostly from St. Petersburg, equally corrupt, but loyal exclusively to him?]

        Yes and No. Most part of the property ofthose oligarchs was returned to the state ownership, were created state corporatios, privatisation of strategic assets and industries were forbiden, liquidation and sell-out of many crucial and strategic enterprises were stopped and many were saved almost on the edge and many many more.
        Sure to do all that in Western completely controlable NEO-COLONY which was Russia in 90s Putin was in need to create own team and circles of trustable ppl. Otherwise he woudn’t achieve success in returning russian sovereignty.
        Morever the is a lot of things still should be done, he is not finished his work yet!
        And this may surprise you or you even may find it funny, but even now Russia is NOT completely sovereign and NOT fully independent in its activity – she is almost there, but still not there – only moving to direction of complete and absolute sovereignty…. and make the western plutocrats cry b\c of this.

        RE:[And what are these estimates that Putin’s net worth is $200 billion?]

        Who toald that? There was talks at first about 40ln, then 70 and 200. Any serious credibale evidences exist except of grants backed words of some media-twats? Or maybe at least some tiny indirect but credible tips? – No!, no single serious evidence of this exist today.

        Moreover, every sane persone should ask himslef for what Putin need those imaginary tons of money if he already may have everything he wants or needs b\c of absolute power – literally abs everything! For what would he need those money? Insted of toilet paper? – well, he is not in glamour or gansta thing. LOL )))

        RE:[Tubularsock doesn’t know any of this to be true but it does present the question that if Putins team” are just another brand of oligarchs fighting for control then we are back to the original point: who can you trust?]

        Putins team are not oligarchs – they are top brass, inteligence and Statesmen folks.
        Are Shoygu, Lavrov, Rogozin, Sergei Ivanov, Miller, Sechin and many many others – oligarchs? – No! But all that team have some … lets say friendly or … even better to say chain\lap controlable oligarchs, who are used by State team more like instruments against western ones and against transnational corp. megacapitals.

        RE:[Now the biggest issue in discussing this entire mess is the propaganda that is in place on all sides of this issue. To formulate a true picture may be impossible only because the lies and false statements are all over the place.]

        True. However propaganda is a very thin term. Here is interesting example: lets consider the soviet one – was it fasle? Does soviet propaganda lied to its ppl? – actaully no! moreover many ppl now ahve understood that soviet propaganda was if not compeltely true , then near 90% or almost completely true. The same time lets have a look to the western and particulary US propaganda: was the Soveit Union evil? – never..in fact it was far more moral and better in many ways than the west. Was the Soviet ppl aka “red evil communist” really evil ones – NO! no way near..infact the soviet ppl were probably the most moral, ethical and educated ppl and society in the whole human history – i lived there and i know what i’m talking about. Actually it is exactly those beatiful ppl what i miss most of all from USSR. Next, did USSR ever plan to attack or even conquer USA or the West – NO!, NEVER! Did The USSR started the Cold War and Arms Race – No! It always responed in matter of defending himself.

        So , you see, in the modern world you can’t survive without own propaganda. Actually all this can be called the information war. And from this point and all stated above one can figure out that propaganda is not always false and not always lies..sometimes it tries to prevent BrainWashing and intoBrain shitting to poplation by the forces who are lets say “not very friendly”. And only each person himself should use his own brain to figure out what is truth and what is fasle, lies, manipulations and so on…good historical or fundamental(math, physics, chemistry, engineering etc) background usually helps that process a lot. 😉

        RE:[Tubularsock likes RT’s views when they evaluate American news because they express more truth than the American press but RT is not as forthcoming when they discuss Russian news. And the American press is totality biased against Russia. So true information is difficult to find. So that is where you come in Abracadabra. ]

        Ha! .. again yes and no. And again exist one fundamental difference between RT and western media: there is NO hypocricy in RT as opposite to western media channels. And the presence of only hypocricy – already delivers some not good and not very trustable conclusion regarding western media chanels by default.

        RT – honestly, openly and clearly saying that it is a governmental chanel and it represent russian overlook on various events and worldview. RT is not screaming that they are independent media on “free” capitalistic media market without any edition politics or light censorship as opposite tomost western channels. So in RT there is no Lie from the very begining. – it is the first point.
        Second point is that RT was officially created as International chanel whcih represents the official russian point and worldwiev… the key word – INTERNATIONAL! – i.e. RT specialisation by default is not Russia but other coutries. English RT is broadcasting mainly about US and UK, RT Deutach – about Germany, Austria, Belgium, Swiss and so on, RT Espanol – about all spanish and portugese talking countries, RT Arabic – about middle est and North Africa.

        If you want more information and knews about Russia – you should watch internal russian channels…and you preferably should learn russian for that. Look ,for example, i’m not looking for deep information about US or UK in russian language right? – i search such information in english language in eglish sources and medias. So why it should be different for Russia? If person want more insight and info about Russia – he should look for it in Russian language.

        Btw, this is the same reason why i told before in matter of elites nature and elite insights in Russia and China that i can talk only about russian case – b\c i DON”T KNOW MANDARIN!
        To get deep, volumetric, branchy info about any country one should know the languae of that country .- otherwise you can count only on some pretty superficial picture\data array.

        RE:[Tubularsock may not agree with all of what you say but there is much that we are in agreement about.]

        That is ok. Afterall this is a way it should be – different background, different environment, different life experience – we can’t be all totaly the same. Discusssion is always the best way to find the truth.:)

        RE:[You may be a little too optimistic about the your “almost perfect” prediction, however.]

        You remind me now my ex-girflied 7 years ago, when i told her that i don’t want to live in EU or even physically in Europe b\c of 1…2…3.. 4… 5… and b\c in future there will be 6…7..8… and so on.
        However at that moment she told me that i’m too pessimistic. 😀

        If seriously, try to figure out what kind of crapthole in many senses was China 20 years ago. And then try to figure out what is China today. The level of progress and moreover THE SPEED of progress is mindblowing and showing that such speed and level of development is POSSIBLE if the State is really sovereign, governmented properly and plutocracy is under control. 😉

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      • tubularsock says:

        Abracadabra, Tubularsock is not up on the “inside” history of Russia but Russia has always have had an interest in “spheres of influence” to protect itself. As well as to conduct its business.

        True, it may not have been as extensive or even for the same purpose as the West but she hasn’t just sat back from that influence.

        But when talking about the “shadow elite” the problem isn’t Russian vs English vs American vs French we are talking about a small group that are not aligned to nation states but to manipulation and control of the world.

        Who are they, where are they, even do they exist …….. Tubularsock sure doesn’t have an inside track to that information. There is something going on and has been for a long time and every time you dig into it you’ll always find some of the main wealthy families involved.

        The oligarchs may only play a small selfish, greedy role in the entire mess. Much like the politicians who are further down the pecking order.

        Tubularsock only notices that the world has been crazy for a long time. Why does this Cold War crap keep cropping up. Why is Russia the beating-boy? Tubularsock can only figure that all of that is a tool to keep the people busy and in fear so some agenda is produced to further control the populations of the world.

        It may seem “tin-foil-hat” but Tubularsock doesn’t see “good-guys” — “bad-guys”! That is just the diversion not the purpose.

        Now Tubularsock has limited time for this response so Tubularsock is jumping around here so sorry I’m not following the outline but the entire idea that we really know ANYTHING that is going on and why is a bit silly.

        The information chain is primarily controlled by the power structures and whether it’s RT, CBS, or The Guardian the information is stacked in whichever direction those outlets are paid to express. So we build our positions based on (most of the time) false information.

        As for possible change for the better in Russia, China, even the U.S. will depend on a shift in consciousness and as long as we view each other as enemies change will not take place but we’ll all just stack up the bombs.

        Now the only important issue here really is whether your former x-girl friend was correct and whether your current girl friend thinks of you as an optimist or a pessimist. THAT is something you have direct control over and in the world of relatio

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      • Abracadabra says:

        Here is some info you if you interested in info about Russia’s development:
        http://sdelanounas.ru

        This site is kind a news blog or blogs agregator – ordinary ppl create content and news there.

        However it is in russian, so if one don’t know the language he should watch this site through the g00gle translate service and that will make it pretty well readable and understandable.

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  5. sojourner says:

    Reblogged this on An Outsider's Sojourn II.

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  6. Hariod Brawn says:

    Sheesh, and I thought it was all just about politics and doing good . . .

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  7. A pity Hillary didn’t hand over all American uranium to Russia – the gift that never stops giving.

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    • tubularsock says:

      Well DrB you may be correct on this one. Gosh, we are a peaceful nation after all so why would we need it? But Tubularsock would add to your idea that we give Russia Hillary as well. She is more radioactive than any uranium!

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  8. “She is more radioactive than any uranium!”

    …AND she has rabies! Now, if that ain’t a lethal combination, then I don’t know what is! Why she has not succumbed to that deadly disease(war whoregonorrheasyphillitis) that warwhores, get, I don’t know. I guess since she’s radioactive, that may be responsible for what’s keeping that war whore alive!

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