Well as we all know there is no such thing as climate change and if there were WE have NO IMPACT on our earth.
Earth changes are the EARTH’S FAULT and if not, then at least the Russians!
Now forget about Fukushima. Nuclear Power is CLEAN and yes at the moment Fukushima is still pumping tons and tons of radio active material into the Pacific Ocean but don’t you worry …… it’s a big ocean.
And now that we have CLEAN COAL we can all rest and we’ll have our in coming Orange President promoting it and all the coal miners that voted to bring back their BLACK LUNG disease will have jobs.
And hell, less trees world wide only means more toothpicks and less oxygen over the long haul but you’ll get used to it!
No. Climate change is just the earth telling you to move to another planet, soon. But has nothing to do with we humans and our life style.
It’s all those scientists who have made it all up! JUST HOW COULD WE HUMANS BE DOING IT?
SERIOUSLY ……. IT REALLY DOESN’T MATTER WHEN YOU’RE DEAD!
THE EARTH WILL BE HERE LONG AFTER YOU ARE ……. SO, WHAT’S OUR RUSH?
I mean, it seems like we’re pretty guilty, but if you say we’re not, I know lots of folks who are so happy to be business as usual. IT’s nice and warm when you’re head’s in the sand!
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Well Jay, Tubularsock has always like the statement, “Mother Nature bats last!”
Seem the only way we’ll really understand that is when it is too late. And then who will be left to write the hit song …..”you’re going to miss me when I’m gone?”
Oh well.
Thanks for your comment.
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Hmm. It’s not that climate doesn’t change, it does. And it’s not that humans don’t have an impact, they do. And it’s not that CO2 isn’t a “green house” gas, it is. Rather, it’s how much of an impact, not regionally, but on the scale of the entire planet, that humans are having on the climate.
Have a look here, for example:
Coral bleaching debate — Jim Steele | Climate Etc. (Judith Curry)
Or
A presentation on the climate effects of local ecologies — Jim Steele speaking to the IEEE | Landscapes and Cycles
And don’t neglect this:
The 2015 Arctic Report Card: NOAA Failed Walrus Science! — Jim Steele | Landscapes and Cycles: An Environmentalist’s Journey to Climate Skepticism
And then there is this, too:
Henrik Svensmark: Cosmic Rays, Solar Magnetic Field, and Cloud Formation as Drivers of Climate Change
And along with that:
The Cloud Experiment at CERN – Jasper Kirkby follows up on Henrik Svensmark’s work
And then you probably don’t want to miss this, too:
Global Warming: How It All Began — Richard Courtney | Still Waiting For Greenhouse
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By the way, the links appear to be broken. Go figure. Just copy what is highlighted in red as ‘text,’ and google it. Or alternatively, I guess I could just make a list of URLs here. In the order that they first appeared, then:
a) https://normanpilon.com/2016/05/26/coral-bleaching-debate-jim-steele-climate-etc-judith-curry/
b) https://normanpilon.com/2016/04/12/a-presentation-on-the-climate-effects-of-local-ecologies-jim-steele-speaking-to-the-ieee-landscapes-and-cycles/
c) https://normanpilon.com/2015/12/26/the-2015-arctic-report-card-noaa-failed-walrus-science-jim-steele-landscapes-and-cycles-an-environmentalists-journey-to-climate-skepticism/
d) https://normanpilon.com/2014/01/02/henrik-svensmark-cosmic-rays-solar-magnetic-radiation-and-cloud-formation-as-drivers-of-climate-change/
e) https://normanpilon.com/2014/01/05/the-cloud-experiment-at-cern-jasper-kirby-follows-up-on-henrik-svensmarks-work/
f) https://normanpilon.com/2016/06/06/global-warming-how-it-all-began-richard-courtney/
Sorry about the mess, Tubes. But in the interest of making it easier to follow the links should anyone be interested . . .
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Now Tubularsock knows everything!
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And if it’s permissible to quote oneself at length, this kinda, sorta sums up my take on the whole issue of “climate change” per se:
Thank you very much for your time. I’d been hanging on to that book-length comment for just this opportunity.
Regards to all, whichever side of the debate you may be on,
A reactionary denier of what (perhaps) may (possibly) be “politically motivated science”
–N
Disclaimer: I also happen to believe in evolution as a fact, and neo-Darwinism as the “theory” explaining the progression of the data that taken together amounts to the fact of evolution.
And remember, as V.L. (a.k.a. “Jim’s uncle”) once put it, “There can be no proletarian revolution without a theory of revolution.” (I’m paraphrasing, okay.)
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Well, well, well …….. Norman you have once again filled up the Bunker with more literature than Tubularsock can file! It does look like in time Tubularsock will be FULL of it! (sojourner! You say out of it ….. you already think Tubularsock’s full of it!)
Holy shit ……… What has Tubularsock done now ……… a word tsunami! RUN, RUN, RUN!
Norman, you know you even sound like you know what you are talking about. Tubularsock’s impressed. You have been holding this in? Wow, you must be only 38 lbs. now!
But all kidding aside, extremely interesting and well done.
Tubularsock had to get out his Literary Lift Truck just to get it on the library shelves. Filed under ….. “politically motivated science”!
Thank you.
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See, Tube, you need to learn from me; I never ever write about anything that is controversial or not part of the current “IN” narrative agenda! No…. Wait… That’s not me, that’s the msm talking heads.
Never mind, Tube! Continue on!
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But lets be clear about one thing: if we were the primary cause of global warming, with the capitalists in charge of everything, if it meant the curtailment of profit to save humanity and the planet, you can be sure that the increase in temperature would be ignored until it really was too late.
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Thanks, Norm!
It always amazes me how folks who continually, and rightly, slam the government and main stream media (the real “fake news”), and warn everyone in ear shot not to listen to the government/corporate propaganda, will not only listen to it but become its mouthpieces, when it comes to “AGW”. Al Gore was Bill Clinton’s other bitch, by the way!
I can hear this same kind of eugenics bullshit argument on every network and cable ‘news’ channel during the week. So I guess, when it comes to “AGW”, the Tube is, unbelievably, on board with the government/corporate owned media?
And I guess all these scientists are wrong as well, right, Tube?
https://anoutsidersojourn2.wordpress.com/global-climate-change/
It pays to listen to a dissenting voice every once in a while.
And using TRUMP to make this point is pathetic, to say the least!
Trump only knows how to “grab pussy” and make money for doing absolutely fucking-nothing. And being the pig Trump is, you can bet his position on this subject is just another one of his bald-faced lies. You know, like Obama’s “Yes we can!”
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Ahh, sojourner now you have provided enough information for Tubularsock to have to put an upper floor under the Bunker’s Library just to house the information you have provided. Well, it’s raining here so plenty of time to read.
Now are you saying that the “scientists” who disagree with climate change are MORE correct than the ones who believe that climate change is real?
It just may be another example of “follow the money”.
Now all Tubularsock is pointing out is that HUMANS have effect on the earth and in most cases it is NEGATIVE unless sojourner, you feel that asphalt is a positive result of man’s advancement.
Tubularsock feels that the main stream media and the government are both a beacon of truth! They both point out what NOT to believe.
But NOT EVERY climate-change scientist is incorrect. This is way to complex to have only one side being presented as you know. So don’t negate an entire branch of study just because the government might see some merit in it. At least you’ll know that it will be profitable for somebody!
One thing IS TRUE! Using ANYTHING TRUMP to make a point is pathetic ….. but Tubularsock couldn’t help himself!
Thanks for you comment.
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This is why we flock to the Tube, even us assholes like me!
Tube wrote:
“Now all Tubularsock is pointing out is that HUMANS have effect on the earth and in most cases it is NEGATIVE unless sojourner, you feel that asphalt is a positive result of man’s advancement.”
And I want you to know, Tube, I am in full agreement with this. “Follow the money” is key here. We have all sat by and taken part in the destruction of the environment, every last one of us, including me. But this push by the elite and their stooges (the ones who set up this system of abusing the planet) are not concerned with the planet or humanity. They are only concerned with having this world to themselves.
I am no lover or supporter of big oil/corporate capitalism. get rid of this corporate capitalism, and all the other god-like isms, whether religious or political, and nature will rule once again!
Without going on and on qany further, this is why I cannot buy into the “green/CO2/AGW” bullshit.
Follow the money, and it’s eugenics lurking behind the scenes once again, just like during the 1930s and ’40s. Depopulating the planet of those whom the elite consider to be “unfit to live” is behind all this convoluted AGW bullshit.
Get rid of the inbred elite (give the world back to its people), and I believe we can turn around the damage we have done, to each other and the planet.
This is, if we will learn from our mistakes, and not continue on with this age old world system?
I’ll leave it at that!
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Oh sojourner, when “people” flock to Tubularsock they just seem to know that Tubularsock is FOR the birds!
” if we will learn from our mistakes” are you attempting to be a comedian here? WHEN HAS THAT EVER HAPPENED?
No sojourner, the only positive take away here is we are happily doomed and all’s good!
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” if we will learn from our mistakes” are you attempting to be a comedian here? WHEN HAS THAT EVER HAPPENED?
I know, Tube! My mother, while pregnant, was heavily influenced by Shirley Temple movies.
“No sojourner, the only positive take away here is we are happily doomed and all’s good!”
Oh, Tube, always the eternal optimist! You make Sojourner feel like a happy-go-lucky kinda guy, and that ain’t easy!
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Now that is even simple enough even for Tubularsock to understand,Norman! So fucking true!
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There is climate change! There is climate change? There is climate change! But the biggest climate change of late is Trump’s continual shift of positions on nearly everything. Much what he advocated in his campaign he has gone back on or waffled or obfuscated on. Trump is not the first politician to do this, but he’s taken it to a new level. He’s for something until he isn’t’. He’s against something until he’s for it. He’s beginning to make slippery, tricky Dick Nixon look like the Rock of Gibraltar.
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Michael it is only a basic climatic factor that you have noted so well.
And that is: “ANY WAY THE WIND BLOWS!”
Thanks for you comment.
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China is having a bad time with smog. They use a lot of coal and you can hardly breath the air there.
Leslie
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Leslie, so true. Tubularsock has seen pictures and even has to get out a mask just to look at them. You’d think that if you can SEE IT you’d change it. Really, don’t you think so?
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They are working on it.
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Tube, ignore my less than friendly comment above.
I apologize not for the info, but for the way I presented the info to you.
It is time for me to concentrate solely on posting! And my days are numbered doing that!
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sojourner, don’t even go there. You can express the way shit hits you anyway you like!
Tubularsock is a big boy and doesn’t take anything personal on the web.
At times, Tubularsock is even thought to be WRONG by many. Tubularsock knows it is difficult to believe but it has happened! But hey, being wrong in a “right world” is a sign of the correct direction.
Anyway, Tubularsock thanks you for your contribution and thanks you for taking the time to comment.
And you keep posting and posting and positing even if you believe no one is paying attention. Trust Tubularsock on this ….. Tubularsock posts hoping someone will hear and the more he posts the greater the flow and the greater the flow the greater the chance that the information will reach the outer realms of our galaxy where intelligent life exists AND they’ll realize that Tubularsock exists and they will SAVE ME and then …….. fuck you earthlings, Tubularsock is out’a here!
THE FORCE IS YOU, SOJOURNER!
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Thank you, Tube! And thanks for the encouragement to keep going.
A friend in Turkey, who claims to be an extraterrestrial, I’m taking his word for it, has reserved a seat on the mother ship when it comes to evacuate he and his dog!
So, like you, Tube, someday, I, too, will be outta here!
Thanks again!
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This is the kind of shit that gets my ass all fired up:
http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-01-03-honest-truthful-scientist-fired-by-doe-for-not-defending-obamas-climate-action-plan.html
Like you said, Tube, follow the money, and I would add, follow the narrative/agenda!
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Tubularsock, I’m convinced! Now I just have to figure out what I am convinced of …
All this is starting to feel like a religious war to me … and all I know about climate is I kind of like breathing … so far. But maybe not in China. Anyway, a great post, and impressive comments! Or am I just impressionable these days? – Linda
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I’ve been impressed, ever since that semi ran over me!
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Impressed, or compressed? Good luck regaining your third dimension, Sojourner!
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Oh Linda, that is easy! You are convinced …. hell that’s good enough! Why confuse it with facts?
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“Impressed, or compressed?:
I was wrong again, Linda, compressed was right. But now I’m depressed!
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Maybe you’re just wordpressed … sorry, that was lame, even for me!
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No need to apologize, Linda! You have become an official member of the club now!
Actually, Linda, after my last comment, it came to me that I’m actually Pressed-Duck Mandarin!
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Fascinating post that sparked people’s interest, Tubularsock!
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Thanks Carol, but trust Tubularsock …. just bumb’s luck!
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When Nixon went to Pejing in 1972, and its streets were filed with bicycles, American newsmen marveled at the clarity of China’s air. Now when we see a Chinese person moving in Pejing’s streets it’s so hazy we can’t tell if they are on a bike, in a car, or piggybacking on their uncle’s shoulders. Is that a portent of our future too?
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Tubularsock has come to believe that if you can’t SEE the air then how do we know that it’s there?
It is called modern thinking ……….
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