The thing that bothers Tubularsock about WAR is having so many. In our 246 years of being a nation we have been in 225 wars! And that’s not counting the long history of rigging polls, supporting military coups, channeling funds and spreading political propaganda in other countries.

The United States has been involved in a number of foreign interventions throughout its history that are not called wars yet many people get killed.

And what is way worse in Tubularsock’s opinion is the political leaders in the United States of America lecturing the World about how WRONG other nations are for having wars and then Moralizing about the subject. The old “pot calling the kettle black” syndrome.

And now here we are once again. If you haven’t looked into this current conflict you would not be aware that the U.S. has been up to it’s “chinny-chin-chin” in setting up this current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. WE HELPED CAUSE IT!

Yet to listen to our propaganda news outlets WE ARE ALL SHOCKED WITH DESPAIR that RUSSIA AND ABOVE ALL PUTIN are so evil.

For Tubularsock it is rather funny to listen to the shit coming out of their mouths except Tubularsock had to get out Tubularsock’s hip-boots to protect Tubularsock’s shoes.

But then this headline hit the news and enough is enough ……

And just like shit hitting the fan …….. Tubularsock just had to directly respond:

And the beat goes on ………………

Comments
  1. swo8 says:

    You got that right Tube!
    Leslie

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  2. selizabryangmailcom says:

    I know Americans love burying their heads in the sand, but come on……..! We’re not solely responsible for the Ukraine/Russia situation. Everyone else ALSO let Putin sneak forward little by little to take Georgia…then Crimea….
    But the lecturing IS hypocritical, coming from us (and others).
    Remember when we were trying to lecture Germany about their morality and Hitler (or his entourage) said (sic), “Why would we listen to you when you lynch your citizens daily in your streets?”

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    • tubularsock says:

      SB, Tubularsock is happy that you have come up with your thoughts on this subject and Tubularsock does agree that the U.S. isn’t the only creep in the bushes for sure. However the U.S. is just the most deviant of the bunch.

      Recall that when the Soviet Union fell Russia agreed to not stand in the way to have a united Germany again and the U.S. promised that for that support U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s gave Russia assurance that NATO would NOT EXPAND “not one inch eastward”.

      President George H.W. Bush assured Gorbachev during the Malta summit in December 1989 that the U.S. would not take advantage of the revolutions in Eastern Europe to harm Soviet interests.

      The U.S. GAVE ITS WORD! We all know what that’s worth, now don’t we.

      NATO continued to grow into Central and Eastern Europe. Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia all joined NATO.

      Russia sees NATO’s advancement as a direct threat to Russia. And this position is well advertised ………. yet disregard by Europe and the U.S.

      And Ukraine has been the RED LINE IN THE SAND. No surprise there!

      At any time the U.S. could have stopped the process and created Ukraine to be a free buffer state recognized as a trading partner with all sides.

      But the U.S. sat back and encouraged the Ukraine to challenge Russia in a showdown.

      DUMB MOVE. But the neo-cons are known for that ability.

      As for Crimea, Russia took control of that because they have a huge military base there and it’s their access to the Black Sea. It would have been suicide for them not to take control. And in a plebiscite the people of Crimea who are mostly Russian voted to be in Russia rather than become part of the Ukraine. Another one of those votes that we here in the U.S. say is a sign of democracy.

      So the U.S. could have done the bright thing and not have created this situation. BUT WE DIDN’T! To Tubularsock ……. that makes us the bad guys. (EVEN though Putin ain’t no sweetheart!)

      Thanks SB for your comment.

      Cheers.

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  3. selizabryangmailcom says:

    Thanks, Tube. See, the problem is, I agree with you on one level. But then there’s other levels, aren’t there?
    One can make promises about Nato, but then if those countries all wanted to join, then, what, you just tell them, “No, we promised Putin not to expand”? The countries are deciding they want to join. How do you reject them?
    Taking advantage of the revolutions…yeah, I get it. Could have left them to their own devices.
    You refreshed my memory concerning Crimea. They voted to be reabsorbed by the Borg. I mean Russia. Although the vast majority did NOT want to join Russia in 2014, it seems. Today, new surveys show the vast majority is happy to be back with Mother Russia.
    I understand about the US and the free buffer state, which would have mollified the former USSR, but…it doesn’t seem to be what the Ukrainian people actually want, does it? They don’t seem to want to make any concessions or compromises that way. You could say it’s not “them” talking or deciding that, but others behind the scenes convincing them… but then we’d be entering MAGA territory, wouldn’t we? Where we didn’t believe anything that was actually happening and remained convinced that everything was an illusion and a lie?
    So while I understand what you’re saying, that duplicity, hypocrisy, greed, and self-interest is always involved in the geopolitics of this world, I’m not sure it’s QUITE as black and white as you paint the portrait. Not quite.
    But let’s say it WAS just black and white, and you see the US just as–for lack of a better word–evil as Putin, Hitler, Idi Amin, Pol Pot and Ghengis Khan.
    My question is isn’t it difficult to remain living here then? Where would you go if you could?
    Would you go elsewhere….if you could?

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    • tubularsock says:

      Oh my, let’s not go all jingoistic on Tubularsock, SB. Tubularsock loves this country and has worked Tubularsock’s entire life working to have us LIVE UP TO what we say we are about instead of being as bad as what we fight.

      No, Tubularsock wouldn’t be anyplace else but change comes from an enlightened citizenry and that is Tubularsock’s quest to bring that at least closer than the sheeple we seem to have.

      Now all this business about “The countries are deciding they want to join. How do you reject them?” Well, say no. NATO was created to stand off the USSR. The USSR is no longer with us so NATO should be disbanded.

      The Russians disbanded the Warsaw Pact but NATO grew. Which challenged Russia. In there lies just one of the problems.

      For some clarity of positions. Look at OUR hostility toward any Latin American country that has chosen to lean toward Russia and China. WE attempt to overthrow them, WE attempt to block them economically, WE don’t recognize their governments ………. THEN what happens to your argument about those “. . . countries are deciding they want to join?” Should we say sure?

      Further look back on the Cuban Missile Crisis, All Russia wanted to do was to place missiles near the U.S. boarder. Gosh, just what could go wrong? Cuba wanted to do it ………… “how do you reject them”?

      It always boils down to …… if THEY do it it’s WRONG but if WE do it it’s RIGHT. Understandable but just a bit top heavy!

      And have you noticed that Covid has disappeared out of the news cycle? Thank RUSSIA!

      It has been a joy discussing with you SB and it may be that “. . . everything IS an illusion and a lie! So where does THAT put us?

      Cheers and stay safe and healthy.

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  4. selizabryangmailcom says:

    Well, I’m not a news junkie like hubby (and he watches ALL channels, left and right, and YouTube and private lectures; anything) so I’m not as knowledgeable and well-balanced as he is.
    I don’t know ultimately if all countries should be able to join or not. I don’t know ultimately if, even though the USSR is gone, NATO isn’t necessary: considering what’s going on right now. Is it a catch-22? If we and the world hadn’t made certain moves, we wouldn’t even BE here today, because we “forced” Russia’s hand…..? I don’t know for sure! I know we make our own monsters– this is especially true with “terrorists” and the Middle East and the people we held illegally (or legally, and tortured) at Guantanamo Bay.
    I get what you’re saying–we can’t always be right and everyone else is wrong. That’s patently absurd, especially considering our dark history.
    But you never seem to have positive things to say about any “good” things going on in this country. Your blog does a great job of pointing out the BS. But….there has to…be….more…………? Like a counter-balance to the nonstop anger. Like hope. Your ideas of hope. Maybe tell everyone what you’re doing backstage, behind the scenes. How things are changing. Or not. Now I’m criticizing your blog. Sorry about that. It’s your blog, your tone. I don’t know how many “sheeple” read it, though. Seems like preaching to the choir here. With several regular Ed McMahon yes men loyally amening everything. And as far as jingoism goes–oh my god! Now, THAT’S insulting, lol. I’m the furthest there is from nationalistic. I love the USA too. But like everything else, it’s definitely not perfect. At any rate, thanks for the discourse; I do learn things here. I do. And sorry if I lack the full facts to take you on MMA style in the cage…where only one of us would emerge….alive.

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    • tubularsock says:

      Now now, SB. Tubularsock is sorry that Pollyanna seldom drops by Tubularsock’s top floor corner office in the underground bunker overlooking Washington, D.C. from Oakland, CA.

      She is usually such a down right drag on the spirit of doom that permeates the Bunker.

      Tubularsock does appreciates your interest and perspective on the state of the world as we know it. And the fact that your husband married YOU shows Tubularsock that he is an intelligent fellow as well as being well informed. And Tubularsock is not kidding here!

      But look where we are ………. what good is NATO? If NATO attempts to “stop” Russia there will be WWIII. So what good is NATO in this situation except to put us all on the edge of our seats?

      Now Tubularsock gets your feelings that Tubularsock only delivers the negative side of the U.S.
      but that is what needs to be changed. The “good” things, all two of them” take care of themselves.

      And finally Tubularsock finds himself fortunate that we aren’t in a MMA style cage “. . . where only one of us would emerge….alive”!

      Seems a little hard core for a friendly political debate to Tubularsock.

      And remember, EVEN in the illusionary world we live in, the bus can still smash one flat.

      Sooooo, look both ways and stay safe.

      Peace

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  5. selizabryangmailcom says:

    Mr. Tube, let me just ask this: are you phrasing things with a little bit of cloak and mirrors? I refreshed my middle school memory on the Warsaw Pact and it seems that it wasn’t a pact as much as Russia “conquering” those countries and saying, “We’re in a pact.” And then later when East Germany left, other countries began to leave, everything just kinda fell apart, and the Warsaw Pact disintegrated rather than a unified announcement of them saying, “We are breaking up the band.” It just happened. Because of circumstances. Which was the world changing.

    Also, I’m confused about this idea that Nato should disband. It may have been created as defense against the USSR which is no longer with us, but Russia is still the USSR under another name. At least today. Admittedly, I brought this up with hubby, and my understanding from his perceptions is that the ’90s was the last time, with Yeltsin, that we could have/maybe should have gotten rid of Nato. But now with Putin, it’s too late (my words, not his). Nato doesn’t invade other countries. It reacts as a defense mechanism, like white blood cells.

    My point remains that western countries, especially, may not be the innocent saints they often paint themselves to be, but it seems like you over-hammer the west but pull your punches with others (Putin) who has sent thousands of Russian men and boys to their death, not to mention Ukraine.

    Where is the evil of the world concentrated? Do we know? I’ve often blamed the West for lots of things–being bloodthirsty, xenophobic, creating true racism as we know it (University of Guttenberg). But that may only be because they’ve had the most “power” and “resources” to enable their behavior.

    Other people in many other countries have also shown their dark sides and it seems that human beings are the common denominator in all this, doesn’t it? I would say Westerners are much more bloodthirsty and war-like than some other places–just in their nature alone–but this nature has apparently been exported to the rest of the world now like a contagion so that everyone now seems similarly heartless and lacking a consistent morality. People are not actually “conscious,” but sort of sleepwalking through life. And I include myself in that in many, many ways.

    Have you ever read Gurdjieff and Ouspensky? They get to the heart of the matter, I think, philosophically.

    Thank you for “discoursing” with me. I do appreciate it! Does it seem like maybe we’re on the same page but just coming at that page from different angles? Maybe that’s what’s going on!

    Don’t talk to any men in vans offering you candy!
    SB

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    • tubularsock says:

      Well SB, your middle school memory on the Warsaw Pact seems to have come in handy. Bet you never thought that would happen when you were 13 years old.

      Tubularsock wasn’t phrasing things in a “clock and mirrors” manner but rather in a quick generalization manner to avoid the detailed history of the Warsaw Pact.

      You are correct that the main Pact did break down do to the changing of the times. And most of the reason for the Pact was the fear of the rearming of Germany. (Among other things).

      The USSR even requested membership into NATO in 1954 and pushed for a reunification of Germany but wanted to have Germany remain neutral and NOT BE rearmed.

      The U.S. and the U.K. rejected that outright. From there a series of changes developed within Europe that lead to the Warsaw Pact and the member states who too feared a rearmed Germany.

      Remember the Eastern European countries who were in the “sphere of influence” of the Soviet Union all were nominally independent countries with separate governments that set their own policies, but those policies had to stay within certain limits decided by the Soviet Union.

      AND the threat of armed violence against them by the Soviets kept them in line.

      Much like Latin America and the U.S. Monroe Doctrine if you recall.

      Needless to say things today could have been much different if the U.S. had been open to the Soviet Unions’ fears all the way back then. Especially when you weigh in the fact that the U.S wouldn’t had won WWII without the courageous help of the USSR.

      So soon we forget.

      As for ending NATO in today’s world NATO is pointless in truth. Russia presently EVEN WITH PUTIN is not powerful enough nor interested in expansion from Tubularsock’s view. It is in this current situation after 7 Years of warming of the consequences of not paying attention to the Russian warnings and once again their fears.

      Maybe WE SHOULD LISTEN!

      As for “NATO doesn’t invade other countries” sending arms to other countries and economic sanctions upon other countries and training troops of other countries could be very much an ACT OF WAR. As well as “Police Actions” in “peace keeping” in Africa.

      Sure looks like it to Tubularsock. Time will tell.

      Tubularsock learned at a very young age that one shouldn’t play with fire. Lets hope that Vlad and Joe learned the same lesson!

      SB, Tubularsock does pound on our country more than Russia or any other country because OUR country should be setting the EXAMPLE we should be on the vanguard of change for the good of all.

      However WE have killed more innocent men woman and children in more countries in the world than any other country. We beat out Russia years ago. Now because the Controlled Propaganda Media push the poor poor Ukrainian people we Americans are shocked!

      Give Tubularsock a break.

      Most American are asleep to OUR world massacres, that the United States and its allies have been the aggressors: in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, Haiti, Somalia, Palestine, Pakistan, Libya, Syria and Yemen.

      Just how many dead babies have there been. And where is the American outrage.

      Our outrage is CONTROLLED BY THE NARRATIVE NOT ABOUT TRUTH!

      That is what has to change!

      And you know this as you have expressed and yes Gurdjieff and Ouspensky defiantly knew this and really in a nut shell concludes ……… mankind is asleep and are machines run from external forces.

      But Tubularsock liked best that Gurdjieff used to paint birds yellow to sell them as canaries. Now THAT is the basis of a great philosophy! (aka ….. people are stupid!)

      Now in summary SB, you are a joy to communicate with and hope some of this hits home. Tubularsock does believe that we basically are on the same page for we both strive for people to grow and improve. And political discussions are always filled with mine fields.

      And just because we are friends, Tubularsock will discount these yellow canaries if you buy a bushel.

      Cheers

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  6. selizabryangmailcom says:

    First, I hope it’s not early onset Alzheimer’s setting in, ’cause I meant SMOKE and mirrors, not CLOAK and mirrors. But maybe it’s just the genius poet in me coming out, rhyming unconsciously (she said desperately, hoping she wasn’t losing her mind).

    Well, it’s understandable, from an American point of view at least, why the “outrage” is muted, if it exists at all, concerning any actions taken in those places you mentioned: Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, Haiti, Somalia, Palestine, Pakistan, Libya, Syria and Yemen. Personally, I don’t think any outrage NEEDS to be controlled by the narrative and not by the truth. Even if there was complete “transparency” about those places and what we’ve engaged in there, people would NOT care that much anyway due to the simple fact that the majority of those places are made up of brown and black people. That is one sad truth about America that people have been screaming about for hundreds of years but that only came to a tiny shred of light after George Floyd was killed what the hell people have been trying to tell them all this time.

    At any rate, I FEEL like we’ve been in the MMA cage and I’m about to die. I need water and probably a gigantic medium-well steak would help. Revisiting the Monroe Doctrine and Warsaw Pact is making my buried 12-year-old self whimper with post-post-middle school PTSD. Look, I’m probably one of the few kids who always wondered, “Remember the Alamo? Shouldn’t that be Mexico’s motto?” That and many things always confused me, but of course the teaching never went as far as honestly explaining what had really happened. Because that would make us look bad, of course.

    I still do believe that Nato is largely a defensive force that reacts only when prodded, although the idea of “peace keeping” in other countries does NOT fall in line with that idea: especially if those countries don’t want them there. I don’t have the facts. Can’t go there. But something’s rotten in Denmark, I think.

    I don’t think anyone has forgotten about Russia helping during WWII. But I don’t think that’s a “get out of jail free card” with Putin doing what he’s doing–and it’s all for an ideological war, isn’t it? His idea of the greatness of the USSR that was lost and his obsession with getting it back. Did you see the letter they published a few days after they invaded Ukraine that they had to pull down really fast? It was all ideological, fanatical blabber! Not sure all this death and destruction is worth Putin’s fantasy to regain the USSR…but I understand how the rest of the world and reaction and behavior toward them has also helped paved the way for what’s happening.

    A lot of this hits home–mostly letting me know I know very little and need to educate myself, fo sho. But thanks for engaging, again, and laying down your side so clearly!

    And lastly, I’m not only not surprised that you know about G&O but also about the canaries, LOL !! If you’ve also read The Strange Life of Ivan Osokin (in honor of the Russia we once regarded as heroes) you know that no matter what we do, we can’t change our nature! Except…we can. But the effort it takes is beyond Sisyphean. It’s kinda like how people are always criticizing weight lifters, especially female body builders. I always hear women saying, “Ugggh. I want to work out but I don’t want to get muscles like that.” And I always want to say to them, “Honey, you have NO IDEA how hard it is to ‘get muscles like that,’ and you wouldn’t have the determination and you wouldn’t have the willpower to get anywhere close, so don’t worry about it. Just do your little spin class and be happy.”
    Some do genuinely “evolve”, though, and I think deep down we all harbor that desire. That’s why we keep trying.

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    • tubularsock says:

      SB, Tubularsock rather liked the CLOAK and mirrors actually. Tubularsock was thinking you were really cleaver and thought that that must be a sign of the “poet in you coming out” and now Tubularsock is like a rudderless ship cast on the oceans of words without a noun to his name. Oh well, cast once again upon the alphabet of time.

      As for Alzheimer’s Tubularsock has a theory about the cause of it. And you don’t fit Tubularsock’s theory so sorry you don’t have it. Better luck next time ……… oh, Tubularsock forgot ………………. Tubularsock lost his mind for a minute.

      Ahh, but Tubularsock digresses.

      The racial component is a large factor BUT if what the U.S. is doing by proxy was hyped as much as what the Russians are doing in Ukraine and the visuals were shown night after night Tubularsock believes most people would be appalled to action.

      Remember we used to NOT SHOW caskets coming home from Vietnam and later Iraq due to a negative impact of the American people.

      The things that are kept from the citizens are so outrageous that if shown every-night night after night would outrage most people no matter what color or nationality they were.

      Tubularsock feels THAT REALITY would change a hell of a lot of peoples’ minds rather rapidly.

      Remember the “Collateral Murder” video released by WikiLeaks. Assange is STILL being persecuted for exposing that.

      Tubularsock feels that REAL people have a huge amount of compassion when it comes to other people being murdered like that. Just gets to them when they realize that that could be them!

      As for a “get out of jail free card” Tubularsock does not condone Vald’s actions but forcing him into a corner so he takes these actions could have been prevented before all these deaths.

      Listening to your “enemy” could end in peaceful conclusions. Not paying attention or out right provoking your “enemy” ALWAYS starts conflicts!

      Tubularsock would like to see A NEW WAY because to date …… wars don’t work for the greater good.

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  7. selizabryangmailcom says:

    Okay, well, ciao.
    See you in the funny papers.

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  8. selizabryangmailcom says:

    Thanks for engaging, as always.
    Take care!

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